Are Folks Making America Hate Again?

doubtingmerle said:

Can you tell me with a straight poker face that this man desires a return to the Constitution?

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Absolutely! Trump is far more concerned with the constitution than the rogue liberal Judges who ignore it completely, or the corrupt politicians who cry rule of law while breaking it.

doubtingmerle said:

And no, I do not think that it is I who is confused. How can this massive dismantling of legitimate government be called common sense?

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Your use of the word "legitimate" here is laughable and false. It might be helpful if you actually looked at some of the absurd wasteful spending found by DOGE and not pay attention to the false reporting and scare tactics of the left.

doubtingmerle said:

Stock prices have plunged.

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The stock market has always had ups and downs ! I am actually buying right now and you should too.

doubtingmerle said:

Nations that had long been our friends feel abandoned.

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Nations that have taken advantage of us through our stupidity and generosity are now wanting to make a deal!

doubtingmerle said:

Much of the legitimate function of government has been crippled.

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Again your use of the word "legitimate" here is laughable! No legit services have been cut .

doubtingmerle said:

Convicted violent criminals have been set free.

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And can you with a straight poker face accuse the right of this when liberal cities , Judges have done exactly what you say here. You should really watch accurate news reporting on this.

doubtingmerle said:

People have been locked up in a foreign country without due process.

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Maybe you should actually study what due process is actually due to illegal aliens, TERRORISTS, gang members sent by a foreign nation to destabilize our nation. THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SAME CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS AS CITIZENS OF THIS NATION!

doubtingmerle said:

How can a rational person not be angry at the people who are doing this?

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Angry, full of HATRED and in some case extreme violence. That my friend has become a trade mark of many on the left. Own it!

doubtingmerle said:

Well, you must admit it would be a little difficult to want someone to come to your house for dinner when they are voting for all the mass carnage that is destroying your life, yes?

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I have extreme liberals in my family and they come to my house and we break bread together. I believe they are totally deceived and confused about political realites but I show no hatred towards them. I do know of some liberals who are so messed up in their thinking they are extremely belligerent to conservatives.

doubtingmerle said:

The cuts seem almost random, but there is a clear emphasis on destroying anything that helps the poor (labeled "Marxism"), helps the environment, or helps foreign countries and foreigners.

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This is absolutely false ! You have been deceived by false reporting.

doubtingmerle said:

The little that is saved from these cuts is dwarfed by the proposed massive tax cuts for the rich.

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This is a really worn out talking point of the left. Both Trump and Musk have lost billions because their service to this nation. The likes of Pelosi and many other corrupt politicians have enriched themselves by taking advantage of the offices they hold. If the current tax cuts are not extend EVERYONE will pay more in taxes. It is time to cut the liberal slush funds out and restore sanity to our government.

MrMoe said:

Going 1 mph over the speed limit is not comparable to breaking into the country. Obviously breaking into the country is much worse.

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Entering the country undocumented is a civil misdemeanor, not even a criminal act--so yes, it is like a speeding ticket,

MrMoe said:

Deporting them to another country that will accept them is a mercy. They can restart their lives there and try to re-enter America legally if they desire.

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BCP1928 said:

Entering the country undocumented is a civil misdemeanor, not even a criminal act--so yes, it is like a speeding ticket,

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8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien​

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(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.


(b)Improper time or place; civil penaltiesAny alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—(1)at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or(2)twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

(c)Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.
(d)Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.
(June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title II, ch. 8, § 275, 66 Stat. 229; Pub. L. 99–639, § 2(d), Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3542; Pub. L. 101–649, title I, § 121(b)(3), title V, § 543(b)(2), Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4994, 5059; Pub. L. 102–232, title III, § 306(c)(3), Dec. 12, 1991, 105 Stat. 1752; Pub. L. 104–208, div. C, title I, § 105(a), Sept. 30, 1996, 110 Stat. 3009–556.)


You have over simplified here! A simple speeding ticket will not get you 6 months in jail, 2 years in jail, 5 years in jail or a $250,000 fine!

Biden ignored these laws and opened up the borders to who ever will come., including gang members, terrorists, murderers, rapist , drug dealers, and human traffickers.

Postvieww said:

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien​

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(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.


(b)Improper time or place; civil penaltiesAny alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—(1)at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or(2)twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

(c)Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.
(d)Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.
(June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title II, ch. 8, § 275, 66 Stat. 229; Pub. L. 99–639, § 2(d), Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3542; Pub. L. 101–649, title I, § 121(b)(3), title V, § 543(b)(2), Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4994, 5059; Pub. L. 102–232, title III, § 306(c)(3), Dec. 12, 1991, 105 Stat. 1752; Pub. L. 104–208, div. C, title I, § 105(a), Sept. 30, 1996, 110 Stat. 3009–556.)


You have over simplified here! A simple speeding ticket will not get you 6 months in jail, 2 years in jail, 5 years in jail or a $250,000 fine!

Biden ignored these laws and opened up the borders to who ever will come., including gang members, terrorists, murderers, rapist , drug dealers, and human traffickers.

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No, I didn't. It says right in your post that it's a civil offense. Some speeding tickets will cost you more than the $250 maximum for illegal entry.

doubtingmerle said:

Stock prices have plunged.
Nations that had long been our friends feel abandoned.
Much of the legitimate function of government has been crippled.
Convicted violent criminals have been set free.
People have been locked up in a foreign country without due process.

How can a rational person not be angry at the people who are doing this?

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Because MAGA baby MAGA!!!!

except for those few (ex)MAGA people who have found their own wives, husbands, fiances etc deported, or lost their jobs due to DOGE.
But apart from them.

Yay MAGA!

stevil said:

That's not an answer, that's a question.

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I know, and it’s one I want you to give a straightforward answer to.

stevil said:

I don't understand your analogy.

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It’s not an analogy. It’s a question.

I’ll ask the question again. Would consider the following statement in quotation marks a racist statement?

“If barriers are broken down, and if a diverse range of nominees are considered then it is likely that this horrific picking of almost exclusively black men won't continue.”

A simple yes or no followed by a short explanation will suffice.

stevil said:

Most countries in the world have had a very poor showing of Women heads of state. That needs to change, and we are seeing some countries with women leaders, which is great to see.

Most countries have almost exclusively a person, generally a male of the dominant race as the head of state, and that is pretty horrific.
Many countries have the cabinet ministers over proportionally of the dominant race and that is a huge problem.
It's not just USA. But USA have never had a female head of state. Trump has been up against two women and one man. The women lost, the man won.
There was nothing wrong with those women, and nothing special with that man. They all represented pretty much the same policies, the same party etc.

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My question has nothing to do with gender.

stevil said:

Well there you go, there is nothing in Christianity to be worried about having women heads of state.

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Never claimed they were. Just pointing out that some Christians apply their beliefs to other facets of their lives.

stevil said:

Both Hilary and Kamala wanted to be president of USA.

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And are they the norm or the outliers?

stevil said:

Nah, the problem is that there is systemic racism and also systemic gender bias too.

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Neither of which have been proven to exist in the present day.

I’m fact the women and minorities groups are excelling in several places like education.


Black women earn 64.1% of bachelor’s degrees, 71.5% of master’s degrees, and 65.9% of doctoral, medical, and dental degrees among Black students, significantly outpacing Black men.

Is systemic racism and systemic gender bias bipolar?

stevil said:

How many Christian nationists are saying that it is a problem that there are too many white male presidents?

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Why would that be a problem? Some people aren’t as obsessed with race as others.

stevil said:

No, I have no inherent issue with white men.

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Good.

stevil said:

And yet, they complain that Kamala has a cackle and overlook the many many many issues of D Trump.

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And many millions of Americans still voted for her.

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OK. Yes, the court case went very very slowly and then got canned once he became president again.

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If he wasn’t found guilty of inciting an insurrection then don’t state it like it’s a fact.

stevil said:

Are you guys voting for the person with the best laugh?

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No, Americans voted for who they thought best to lead the country.

stevil said:

Trump is even worse than her on this

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Not really. You can find more examples of Harris rambling than Trump.

stevil said:

That sounds like Trump.

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Sounds more like Harris.

stevil said:

Joe Biden won, she didn't. If they are the same, then why did he win and she didn't

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Simple. They saw what a Biden presidency was like and said no thank you to a second term. Biden was already dropping in the poles before Harris came in. She actually boosted the numbers.

stevil said:

Trump didn't focus on policy either.

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This thread is literally about his illegal immigration policy that he talked about non stop before he was elected.

stevil said:

Irrelevant

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Not to those who care about transparency.

stevil said:

Has a doctor's report come out?

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Don’t need a doctor’s report to see the obvious.

stevil said:

Irrelevant

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Not to those who care about authenticity and hate being pandered and talked down to.

stevil said:

Trump is the weakest person I have ever seen. Always whinging and complaining, groaning and moaning. Always offended by everything, such a thin skinned weakling.

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You just described the Democrats exactly. They haven’t stopped crying since losing the election. They are so petty they won’t even stand up to applaud a child who beat cancer, because of Trump.

Bradskii said:

No, I did not. I said 'Would you think it reasonable that your wife or daughter should be passed over for a promotion simply because they are female?'

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Promotion in what? If it’s church leadership or being the head of the household, no. If it’s in a job, yes, because workplace discrimination based on sex is against the law.

Bradskii said:

So you're all for equality of opportunity for women to be leaders. Except in the home. And the church.

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Yes.

Bradskii said:

And the country.

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Neither I or the Scriptures are against it.

Bradskii said:

Gee, they'll be so pleased to hear that. But how about CEOs or heads of government departments. They could run them? But of course, they have to be home early to do the cleaning and make the dinner.

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The husband and wife could share duties.

Bradskii said:

You fix it by making sure that people know that just because there aren't many women in senior positions, it's the result of a gender bias and nothing to do with ability.

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How should companies go about doing that? What would you suggest?

I would suggest a class only for women and minorities to teach them this. Maybe even some therapy sessions.

Bradskii said:

And where does this bias originate? Well, some people express the view that women should be subservient to men in the home and that has a negative effect on women's confidence that they can be leaders outside the home.

Can you imagine a woman deferring to her husband in regard to everything concerning the home and then considering applying for a job where her husband will have to defer to her? Well, maybe you can't...

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You can’t seriously be blaming blaming Christian beliefs on the result of the study you posted. Do you have any evidence the women and minorities in the study were at all influenced by Christian beliefs?

doubtingmerle said:

This in response to, " Suppose a woman was President and her husband told her to make a decision on national security that was radically different from what she wanted. In your view, would she be required to do what her husband told her to do?"

Ah, so the Bible has it wrong when it says women are to be submissive to their husbands? (e.g. Ephesians 5:22-24)

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Submissive does mean be a slave. The husband can have his opinion on what she should do, but ultimately it’s her choice.

doubtingmerle said:

But again, if the undocumented worker is being a good member of society, supports his family, and does a good job as a worker, who then is being hurt? OK, so he didn't follow the law when he overstayed his visa or drove 1 mph over the speed limit. Saying we must, must, give the full punishment allowed by the law without mercy does not seem right to me.

And I suppose you will quickly, quickly, turn from the argument, "We must, must do it because the letter of the law says so," to some sort of argument that the undocumented worker is doing harm here. But what harm is he doing?

And if you argue they are harming us by taking our jobs, you could also argue that legal immigrants are taking our jobs. And you could argue that teenage workers are taking our jobs. Or short people are taking our jobs. Or fill in the blank: "_____ are taking our jobs: therefore, deport _____." Someday, somebody might fill in that blank with "MrMoe". Once we start deporting people simply because we want their jobs, where does it stop?

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Illegal immigration isn’t a victimless crime.

They Increase the burden on public resources (healthcare, education, welfare) often funded by taxpayers.

Low-wage workers may face depressed wages or job displacement due to competition from undocumented workers.

Inadequate vetting can allow criminals or traffickers to cross borders, endangering communities.

Migrants are vulnerable to smuggling, trafficking, and labor exploitation by cartels or employers.

Deportation and immigration enforcement strain judicial and law enforcement resources.

doubtingmerle said:

And what about those who don't have a country that will accept them?

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Has such a problem ever happened?

"Are Folks Making America Hate Again?" Yes! We don't have to go very far, just look at this forum and Country, especially the politics threads.​

Newsflash, it takes two to tango.

doubtingmerle said:

Oh. The verse I quoted, Ephesians 5:24 says, "Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything."

So, the wife--who happens to be President--can do anything she wants, even if her husband tells her not to?

And the Christian can do anything he wants, even if Jesus tell him not to?

It doesn't matter what Jesus or the President's husband says. Jesus is perfectly fine with us saying no to him when we disagree with him.

Good to know.

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They’re still both subject to Christ. So, no, they can’t do anything they want.

doubtingmerle said:

This is in response to: "And what about those who don't have a country that will accept them?"

Yes, there are many people who don't have a country that welcomes them.
More Than 200,000 People in the US Are Stateless and At Risk of Abuse.
Where should they go? If you think they should find a country where they can establish citizenship, even though they currently have no state, why can't they consider the U.S. as one of the places they might seek to call home?

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That link isn’t talking about illegal immigrant though. Stateless people are not considered illegal immigrants.

I’m specifically asking if there’s ever been a instance where an illegal immigrant couldn’t be deported to another country?

doubtingmerle said:

An example is Kestutis Zadvydas.

Have you ever heard of the term asylum seeker? By definition, these are people who cannot safely return to where they came from.

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Kestutis Zadvydas wasn’t an illegal immigrant. He immigrated to the United States from Germany in 1956.

doubtingmerle said:

So yes, there really are people who cannot safely return home.

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Seeking asylum isn’t illegal.

BCP1928 said:

It says right in your post that it's a civil offense.

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Yes it does, but you ignore everything else that it says. Terrorist, gang members, murders, rapist, drug, dealers, and human traffickers are not analogous to traffic violators. That was an absurd comparison.

doubtingmerle said:

undocumented workers

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What do you not understand about undocumented = ILLEGAL worker?

doubtingmerle said:

but are not even eligible for most federal benefit programs:

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Yes, but in NY, they were given 5-star hotel rooms and debit cards. Do you remember in the fall of 2023 when sanctuary cities was begging for more federal funding?

doubtingmerle said:

instead may raise wages and lower prices in the aggregate (Ottaviano and Peri 2008; Ottaviano and Peri 2010; Cortes 2008)."

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Do you have a source from Biden's tenure? You are not being honest, trying to make your argument valid. Hispanics voted Harris out because they felt left behind.

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Yes it does, but you ignore everything else that it says. Terrorist, gang members, murders, rapist, drug, dealers, and human traffickers are not analogous to traffic violators. That was an absurd comparison.

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That's because we were talking specifically about innocent people who commit no other crime besides crossing the border undocumented.