Francis Drake
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Hilarious, but true.Yes, they ar real. And some of them have active subscriptions to this forum.
For a handmaid of the Lord, you show little understanding of the practice of deliverance from demons, otherwise you wouldn't be saying such things. Show me anywhere in the gospels or Acts where casting out demons raises the possessed/oppressed issue, they just got on and did it.
Its a classic diversionary debate created by people who don't actually practice deliverance, Thus freeing people from spiritual bondage becomes of lesser importance than high minded theology.
You haven't read Ezekiel or you wouldn't say the above! Clearly, the Holy Spirit did allow demons to enter the House of the Lord, and it was the Lord himself who eventually departed.
As Ezekiel reveals, the elders of Israel had installed their idols in the temple of the Lord, flooding the place with demons. These idols were obviously there for some considerable time before the long suffering Holy Spirit eventually departed the scene.
Ezekiel10v4Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub to the threshold of the temple, and the temple was filled with the cloud and the court was filled with the brightness of the glory of the LORD. …..
.....v18Then the glory of the LORD departed from the threshold of the temple and stood over the cherubim. 19When the cherubim departed, they lifted their wings and rose up from the earth in my sight with the wheels beside them; and they stood still at the entrance of the east gate of the LORD’S house, and the glory of the God of Israel hovered over them...……
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The glory of the LORD went up from the midst of the city and stood over the mountain which is east of the city. etc etc...……….
Incidentally, I never actually used the word "possessed" or "oppressed", that was something you raised against me.
Nevertheless, as a debate, its a complete red herring compared to the urgency of actual deliverance, and if you used discernment, you would realise that.
The same as in the gospels, demons get cast out. Period.
For the last 40 years I have witnessed countless spirit filled believers having their lives turned around by deliverance. That is what Jesus commanded us to do.
Here is a topic ignored in many Amarican churches, it may offend someone.
Are the Demonic forces actively seeking our downfall, are they dormant, have they never been a threat, or do they not exist at all. So, where do you stand?
I for one, know that demons are real and active. They are in a weakened state after the cross, but they are still actively trying to test us down to Hell.
My belief is that what many refer to as demonic possession or demonic manipulations is simply explainable aspects of the human condition. I don't need to blame a demon for being tempted. The more severe psychosomatic presentations you refer to are a result of psychological and psychiatric conditioning.Direct physical possession it's not necessarily the only tactic that they have. 1000 small Temptations are much more effective then one physical possession definitely here in America's "enlightened" culture. In fact, a physical public possession may even be detrimental to their current strategy here in America and in Europe.
If you can make your enemy believe that you do not exist then you are at an extreme tactical advantage.
If they can whisper from the Shadows, creep Temptation in through the cracks, or slowly twisting your virtues, this will still lead to their desired outcome. This is where I find the most focused attacks from the enemy. Physical attacks do occur, possession does occur, but they are not as effective here in America as manipulation.
Er?I have read Ezekiel but I am not going to argue with you about it.I know what I know. And why are you picking a fight with me?
Its not a boast, I simply stated a fact to put what I said in context. Far too many Christians are first rate theologians about things they have no experience of.And why do you boast about how long you have ministered. I have not ministered that long ok?
Valid for debate, but not biblically or factually accurate.But just because you have ministered longer does not negate the fact that what I have learned is useful to this thread.What I have said in this thread is valid.
I don't know you and you don't know me. So let us be at peace.
I have been involved with deliverance for the last 40 years and can assure you that demons are real and they are very active in the church.
I don't know what you mean by a weakened state after the cross. Certainly the Lord established their defeat at that time, but we are till commanded to resist them and cast them out, and the evidence of their work in the NT is no different to the OT.
You really need to stick to the subject rather than issue personal attacks. I apologised for my abruptness, but I don't apologise for defending the truth.@Francis Drake You don't know what I have experienced. Any you strike me as a know it all who have little respect for the experiences of other people. You don't edify your sisters and brothers but rejoice in trying to put your foot on them. Shame, shaaame on you. It is this type of attitude that cause baby Christians to turn away from Lord Jesus to doctrines of demons.I will make a note of you and will not waste time addressing you again.
The types of churches you are talking about maybe suffering from demons because the gospel is not preached or believed there.
Did you bother to read my posts?And the deliverance workers you may represent often have bigger issues themselves than their ministry suggests.
More unbiblical nonsense. As I said above, the demons didn't flee from Paul did they, they attacked him.Putting things another way, where God is working powerfully, demons flee away.
Why not bring up the JWs, Mormons, or maybe the Hindus and Muslims as well, it might help you sort your viewpoint maybe...……Todd Bentley and the Toronto Blessing are just two examples of total confusion about what is God and His true ministry and what is spiritual counterfeit experiences.
What has this got to do with me?I know of sincere believers who still think Todd is of God, which seriously staggers me of how much people want something tangible in their emotional lives beyond fellowship with the Holy Spirit in praise at our services.
That's complete unbiblical nonsense.Was Paul attacked by a messenger of Satan because he wasn't properly taught, or because of the abundance of his revelations?
By your theology Satan must have attacked Adam and Eve because they weren't properly taught by the Lord?
Did you bother to read my posts?
I am not representing any deliverance workers, so its a rather pointless comment to make.
More unbiblical nonsense. As I said above, the demons didn't flee from Paul did they, they attacked him.
As I pointed out in a previous post, Ezekiel describes the idols with their attendant demons that were installed and worshipped in the Temple of the Lord in Jerusalem, whilst the Spirit of the Lord was still resident.
Why not bring up the JWs, Mormons, or maybe the Hindus and Muslims as well, it might help you sort your viewpoint maybe...……
You keep making silly straw man arguments about things that have nothing to do with me. If you want to prove a point, try sticking to biblical arguments please.
What has this got to do with me?
I am sure there have been plenty of threads about Todd Bentley, why not go and vent your spleen over there?
Here is a topic ignored in many Amarican churches, it may offend someone.
Are the Demonic forces actively seeking our downfall, are they dormant, have they never been a threat, or do they not exist at all. So, where do you stand?
I for one, know that demons are real and active. They are in a weakened state after the cross, but they are still actively trying to test us down to Hell.
Matt 4 - they are active, real and interfere with everyday life.
Eph 6 - they are powerful and only by the infinite power of the armor of God are we able to stand.
They are more powerful after the cross than before
You appear to be claiming demons has more power now than before the cross.
This sounds like a definitive statement. I would suggest you are wrong as their
influence has waned,
Have you ever heard new stories where the offender, states they were told to kill someone?Here is a topic ignored in many Amarican churches, it may offend someone.
Are the Demonic forces actively seeking our downfall, are they dormant, have they never been a threat, or do they not exist at all. So, where do you stand?
I for one, know that demons are real and active. They are in a weakened state after the cross, but they are still actively trying to test us down to Hell.
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