Anyone following the LOR on Fox News?

Pythons · May 2, 2008

Appears to be an SDA offshoot group that correctly follows the teachings of Ellen White. It has caught the attention of the authorities.

http://strongcity.info/LOR/sc/page/about_strong_city/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Travesser

Xenon · May 2, 2008

Considering that this gem was in the Wikipedia entry...

"Travesser said, 'I am the embodiment of God. I am divinity and humanity combined.'"

...this is certainly not representative of SDA's. It's like saying David Koresh was one.

Pythons · May 2, 2008

Xenon said:
Considering that this gem was in the Wikipedia entry...

"Travesser said, 'I am the embodiment of God. I am divinity and humanity combined.'"

...this is certainly not representative of SDA's. It's like saying David Koresh was one.

I don't think it is representative of SDA's. It's simply an offshoot group of SDA's exactly the same way the Branch Davidians were? I just thought it was interesting that they held Ellen White as a prophet while at the same time rejecting the General Conference as the highest authority God had placed upon the earth.

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · May 2, 2008

Pythons said:
Appears to be an SDA offshoot group that correctly follows the teachings of Ellen White. It has caught the attention of the authorities.

http://strongcity.info/LOR/sc/page/about_strong_city/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Travesser

Oh NOT these losers again.

Sooooo sick of hearing about them. On another website had a long intense thread going where some of them came over promulgating their kack. Sheeeesh. Typical inane "cult of personality" nonsense. They think Wayne Bent bes "Michael", i.e. Christ come again.

Xenon bes correct -- they do not represent SDAs though they do heavily draw upon EGW's writings for their theology.

Seriously, do not feed the trolls. The less attention we givesy this group, the better. They have enough as it stands, and they deserve or merit none of it.

Pythons · May 2, 2008

Moriah_Conquering_Wind said:
Oh NOT these losers again.

Typical inane "cult of personality" nonsense. They think Wayne Bent bes "Michael", i.e. Christ come again.

Michael, i.e. Christ come again. This was the issue I brought up previous to the big split. It's an attack on the Trinity.

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · May 2, 2008

Koresh believed himself the "Lamb". Frankly, he bes way more convincing -- and as far as a "sex Messiah" goes, way hotter and more desirable -- than old man Bent.

Plus he (Koresh) actually had some fresh wine to bring to the table, unlike Bent who has nothing but tired worn out SDA artifacts of legalism and restriction and his addendum of "oh by the way, I'm God, now come lay naked with me."

freeindeed2 · May 2, 2008

Moriah_Conquering_Wind said:
Koresh believed himself the "Lamb". Frankly, he bes way more convincing -- and as far as a "sex Messiah" goes, way hotter and more desirable -- than old man Bent.

Plus he (Koresh) actually had some fresh wine to bring to the table, unlike Bent who has nothing but tired worn out SDA artifacts of legalism and restriction and his addendum of "oh by the way, I'm God, now come lay naked with me."

I would bet you've seen the almost 2 hour video on their website. ???

In CHRIST alone...

freeindeed2 · May 3, 2008

Testimony on Fox News of someone who left that cult.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video...stId=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b0c12f2749

You'll have to scroll down to the link "Doomsday Cult" to view it.

Pythons · May 3, 2008

If anyone can't watch the full documentary this next week the video can been seen on the net. All of the followers were SDA's who "came out of Babylon".

http://beyond90seconds.com/2008/05/...iggered-new-mexico-churchs-battle-with-state/

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · May 3, 2008

freeindeed2 said:
I would bet you've seen the almost 2 hour video on their website. ???

Parts of it, not the whole. But reading written "testimonies" of heartsick pubescent girls about how much they wanted to lay "skin to skin" with "Michael" bes way eye opening. Not to mention enduring a few weeks of intense dialogue (if you could call it that -- being insulted and preached at) with Strong City visitors over at another forum.

Pythons · May 3, 2008

What is the "midnight cry" they speak of on their website?

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · May 3, 2008

From Experiencing the Finished Work
- the Travessers @ StrongCity, NM

Time: 18:12-18:54
"The world loves nudity, but it can't stand nakedness. And the truth that came to this land with Messiah was that every soul has to be naked and intimate with the Spirit of God in order to be saved. The Witnesses were anointed by Father to physically reveal this reality, because He didn't want anyone to miss what is required: that unless you become vulnerable and naked with the Spirit of Christ within you, and married inseparably to Him in a sexually intimate way -- penetrated by the living Word of God Himself, and pregnant with His divine life continually -- you have nothing. Your religion is worthless."

Time: 20:46-21:07
"The hidden mysteries of the soul temple were open for all to see and understand for themselves. God's not taking a bunch of church-goers or law-keepers to Heaven. He's taking His intimate Bride with Him, who is in love with His Spirit of Truth."

Time: 22:35-22:45
"When the Son of God comes into you, you lose your own life.
And it's willingly."

Regardless of whatever else we might think of this group, these statements bes absolutely True.

Pythons · May 3, 2008

I'm thinking not true at all... Quote says that the Witnesses (two girls) were instructed by God to allow themselves to be bred by Michael then witness that the other girls (to include Michael's son's wife) were also properly bred.

My question is why would this guy be so convincing to SDA's? What is it about his message that SDA's from all compass points joined his ranks prior to the "sifting" as he called it when his own church split?

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · May 3, 2008

Travesser Witness said:
"The world loves nudity, but it can't stand nakedness. .... every soul has to be naked and intimate with the Spirit of God in order to be saved. ..... unless you become vulnerable and naked with the Spirit of Christ within you, and married inseparably to Him in a sexually intimate way -- penetrated by the living Word of God Himself, and pregnant with His divine life continually -- you have nothing. Your religion is worthless."

".... God's not taking a bunch of church-goers or law-keepers to Heaven. He's taking His intimate Bride with Him, who is in love with His Spirit of Truth."

"When the Son of God comes into you, you lose your own life.
And it's willingly."

Whatever you or Moriah might think of the Travesser group, one cannot deny the spiritual truth contained in these realizations.

Pythons · May 3, 2008

I realize the concept and have heard this exact same thing said in Catholic material yet after watching the video (s) I'm somewhat bent and twisted with the terminology. In the video the witnesses & "seven" yearn to be penetrated (properly bred) by the leader of the church who claims the Holy Spirit allows him to perfectly follow the perfect law of God which makes him a christ.

Perhaps I shouldn't have watched the whole video.

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · May 4, 2008

Admittedly, have not yet watched the whole video. But your comment raises an interesting question Pythons. At what point in general does having spiritual treasure in earthen vessels cross the line over into a dangerous commingling of light and darkness?

Xenon · May 4, 2008

Moriah_Conquering_Wind said:
Admittedly, have not yet watched the whole video. But your comment raises an interesting question Pythons. At what point in general does having spiritual treasure in earthen vessels cross the line over into a dangerous commingling of light and darkness?

What exactly do you mean by spiritual treasure? If he's doing this stuff to young girls and claiming that he is equal with God, then the Holy Spirit is certainly not in him. Are you talking about scriptural knowledge, or something else that I'm missing?

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · May 4, 2008

It bes not referring to him (Wayne Bent) at all with that question, only asking it in general. 2 Cor 4:7 refers to us as having "treasure" (of a spiritual nature) in earthen vessels which Moriah bes extrapolating to be indicative of how the perfect and beautiful light of God dwells in and shines through imperfect, flawed, "dark" (sinful) human beings. Obviously 2 Cor. 4:7 bes not intended to advocate some kind of commingling of light and darkness though, which risks putting good for evil and evil for good. So its question bes naturally at what point does one cross that line from being in the 2 Cor. 4:7 reality over into something else, something more dangerous and spiritually destructive.

It bes asking in general. Like you yourself made a "discernment call" by saying,

If he's doing this stuff to young girls and claiming that he is equal with God, then the Holy Spirit is certainly not in him.

So clearly you see where the line bes drawn, or you drawsy one, so can you answer Moriah's question?

Pythons · May 4, 2008

Xenon said:
What exactly do you mean by spiritual treasure? If he's doing this stuff to young girls and claiming that he is equal with God, then the Holy Spirit is certainly not in him. Are you talking about scriptural knowledge, or something else that I'm missing?

From what I could tell the guy is not claiming he's equal with God, he is claiming he is equal with Michael the angel, which he claims is Christ. He uses some Scriptures in the Book of Daniel about how Michael stands up for his people and that seven wemon will come unto one man and so on.

I never head the guy say say he was equal with God, he claims that the Holy Spirit indwells inside him and allows him to perfectly keep the law of God just like Christ did. In this way he is divinity because in this way Christ was divinity.

Christ according to the leader is a divine being and is NOT of the same Substance as "Father". Oh, that's the other thing, they use simply the word "Father", as in "
I talked to Father", "waiting for Father", by being bred by michael I was brought close to "Father, etc.

The group believes the General Conference has become a "sister church" to the Papacy and begs all true Adventists to come out of Babylon, renounce the Trinity, etc.

If I'm understanding them right they appeal to Traditional, conservative Seventh-day Adventists because of the way they view Christ. Christ was an angel and was gifted or promoted to the rank of Son of God (He was not always the Son) and in the same way man as well can lead a life of perfect obedience to the Law of GOd if we allow the Holy Spirit to come into us.

The documentary was bizzare and I actually feel sorry for the British guy who spent all the time there asking those quesitons.

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · May 4, 2008

They won't appeal much to traditional/conservative SDAs with the polygamy and commingling of sexuality freely with spirituality. The latter bes Moriah's native tongue but it certainly cannot see many tradventists getting past the subculture shock of Wayne Bent's translations.

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