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Interestingly, the Gospel of John records Jesus saying that the Jews are the children of the devil (John 8:44) because they no longer know or love God (John 8:47 John 8:55).
Does it make any difference that we was speaking to the scribes and Pharisees who had brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; to test him? He was not speaking to all Jews, all of Israel. Only to those who threatened to stone him and caused him to have to hide and run away.Interestingly, the Gospel of John records Jesus saying that the Jews are the children of the devil (John 8:44) because they no longer know or love God (John 8:47 John 8:55).
But Jesus and his apostles were Jews so maybe that statement needs some qualification.
He was pointing out how the huge majority of the Jews did not believe in him, and why.
It is the same today. The living case for Israel is for me based on Messianic Jews who are less than 1% of Israels population.
Meanwhile the USA and the West supported Saddam with the war against Iran.You do know how the Christian Phalange militia of Lebanon fought against the Syrian regime and its Palestinian proxies. Syrian Christian fight for Assad because it’s either him or Islamic barbarians that want to crucify and behead you, it’s not something that has to do with loyalty or love for Bashar Al Assad. Saddam Hussein was an Islamist himself and was aleardy loosing control of the country ever since the war with Iran, only a fool would believe the CIA.
They were staunch enemies even back then, but between two monsters better to kill the one that poses a bigger threat. Anyhow no one is saying America is innocent of war crimes.Meanwhile the USA and the West supported Saddam with the war against Iran.The Reagan Administration secretly decided to provide highly classified intelligence to Iraq in the spring of 1982 -- more than two years earlier than previously disclosed -- while also permitting the sale of American-made arms to Baghdad in a successful effort to help President Saddam Hussein avert imminent defeat in the war with Iran, former intelligence and State Department officials say.
The American decision to lend crucial help to Baghdad so early in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war came after American intelligence agencies warned that Iraq was on the verge of being overrun by Iran, whose army was bolstered the year before by covert shipments of American-made weapons.
U.S. Secretly Gave Aid to Iraq Early in Its War Against Iran
Also can you explain to me why Israel also supplied weapons to Iran during the 1980s even though they were staunch enemies?
I tried to go back in the past and stick myself into politics but I couldn't find the right door to get into the White House to ask the past presidents why they did what they did. Especially the dead ones. As to Israel and the OP and this forum, the question was "what exactly is a christian's obligation to Israel?" We can't ask the past if it doesn't want to tell us, but God wanted to tell us and He did it in the Word and the Word said, "I will curse those who curse you and bless those who bless you." Now, I don't know about you, but that seems pretty clear to me. Especially when you see that Israel as a whole has not been removed, but with the 144,000 in the end times it is pretty clear that Israel will still be there and active in Gods plan. But, for what it is worth that is just what I read.Meanwhile the USA and the West supported Saddam with the war against Iran.The Reagan Administration secretly decided to provide highly classified intelligence to Iraq in the spring of 1982 -- more than two years earlier than previously disclosed -- while also permitting the sale of American-made arms to Baghdad in a successful effort to help President Saddam Hussein avert imminent defeat in the war with Iran, former intelligence and State Department officials say.
The American decision to lend crucial help to Baghdad so early in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war came after American intelligence agencies warned that Iraq was on the verge of being overrun by Iran, whose army was bolstered the year before by covert shipments of American-made weapons.
U.S. Secretly Gave Aid to Iraq Early in Its War Against Iran
Also can you explain to me why Israel also supplied weapons to Iran during the 1980s even though they were staunch enemies?
You are correct, there are a lot of secular Jews. But, before you slap all of Israel in the face just keep in mind that in the end times there will be 144,000 commissioned toward a conversion opportunity ordained by the same God we call our Creator and there focus will be on that secular bunch.Genesis 12 was promised to Abraham himself, not the Jews.
Genesis 12:2-3 "And I will make of THEE a great nation, and I will bless THEE, and make THY name great; and THOU shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless THEE, and curse him that curseth THEE: and in THEE shall all families of the earth be blessed."
Thee, Thou, Thy are all singular forms of the second person pronoun, meaning that God was making a personal promise to Abraham himself; the promise does not fall on the people of Israel, because if it did, the scripture would say "You, ye, your" instead, which is the plural form of the second person pronouns.
So, do not misinterpret scripture - unbelieving Israel is not God's chosen people. Galatians 3:7 says that Christians are the children of Abraham, not the physical Jews.
Romans 2:28-29 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."
Meanwhile Saddam used chemical weapons and even used it on the Kurds in the war in the 1980s. So what was the US response then? Nothing. Meanwhile the US and allies with the support of Israel bombs Syria due to the use of chemical weapons. If the Syrian regime was an US ally the US would have done nothing either.They were staunch enemies even back then, but between two monsters better to kill the one that poses a bigger threat. Anyhow no one is saying America is innocent of war crimes.
Only Israel was arming Iran not the US which was arming Iraq, the US turned against Saddam after he became an uncontrollable monster and invaded Kuwait, and later made plans to invade Saudi Arabia, which if he succeeded in doing would most likely make him one of the most powerful men in the world. What the US does is its business, no one says the US isn’t wrong, israel isn’t bombing Syria for no reason, it’s because Iran wants to use it as a military base.Meanwhile Saddam used chemical weapons and even used it on the Kurds in the war in the 1980s. So what was the US response then? Nothing. Meanwhile the US and allies with the support of Israel bombs Syria due to the use of chemical weapons. If the Syrian regime was an US ally the US would have done nothing either.
Meanwhile Saddam turned against the USA when he discovered the US and Israel was secretly arming Iran in the 1980s.
Yet George Bush snr and Jnr is still alive. Same with Donald Rumsfeld. I remember Christian evangelicals supporting the war against Iraq due to Saddam support for the so called Palestianian terrorists and believe he still has chemical weapons as well as beliving him to be part of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Yet the chemcial weapons was proven to be a lie. Most of the terrorists for the 9/11 came from the US ally Saudi Arabia. Iraq is now under Iranian sphere of Influence and with it a greater danger to Israel than what was under Saddam. Also the refugee problem since Saddam has been out of control and the resultant was more and more refugees fleeing to Europe.I tried to go back in the past and stick myself into politics but I couldn't find the right door to get into the White House to ask the past presidents why they did what they did. Especially the dead ones. As to Israel and the OP and this forum, the question was "what exactly is a christian's obligation to Israel?" We can't ask the past if it doesn't want to tell us, but God wanted to tell us and He did it in the Word and the Word said, "I will curse those who curse you and bless those who bless you." Now, I don't know about you, but that seems pretty clear to me. Especially when you see that Israel as a whole has not been removed, but with the 144,000 in the end times it is pretty clear that Israel will still be there and active in Gods plan. But, for what it is worth that is just what I read.
such double standards for US Iraqi policy.Only Israel was arming Iran not the US which was arming Iraq, the US turned against Saddam after he became an uncontrollable monster and invaded Kuwait, and later made plans to invade Saudi Arabia, which if he succeeded in doing would most likely make him one of the most powerful men in the world. What the US does is its business, no one says the US isn’t wrong, israel isn’t bombing Syria for no reason, it’s because Iran wants to use it as a military base.
We are not to support Israel or Jews that are unsaved. They reject Jesus Christ and may even claim he is in hell in boiling excrement as written in the Talmud. They are also responsible for many atrocities and wars including incidents where they murdered Americans/Civilians and tried to pin it on whoever they wanted to conquer - gulf of tonken incident, lavon affair, pollard spy case, etc..
Most of these incidents the Israeli government admitted to and even gave medals to those behind it at the time. Did we punish them? Nope, we sent them more money and bombs like we continue to do every year. Its amazing how both parties/congress/etc support AIPAC and Israel with undying loyalty.
You seem well indoctrinated and up to date on recent and current events. Personally I don't have time to devote to studying all those issues. All I know is curse and bless..., I understand those words purty goodly.Yet George Bush snr and Jnr is still alive. Same with Donald Rumsfeld. I remember Christian evangelicals supporting the war against Iraq due to Saddam support for the so called Palestianian terrorists and believe he still has chemical weapons as well as beliving him to be part of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Yet the chemcial weapons was proven to be a lie. Most of the terrorists for the 9/11 came from the US ally Saudi Arabia. Iraq is now under Iranian sphere of Influence and with it a greater danger to Israel than what was under Saddam. Also the refugee problem since Saddam has been out of control and the resultant was more and more refugees fleeing to Europe.
Well regarding the Jews, it seems a majority of Jews are out of touch of the pro Israeli Ameican evangelicals. In 2016 American Jews on average had an higher favourable opinion on Bernie Sanders than on Hilary or Trump. Plus they are much more likely to be liberal. American Opinion Regarding U.S. Middle East Policy
Also younger American Jews are overwhelmingly liberal in their politics – even more so than other young Americans. They are also “dovish” in their attitudes toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. As Israel turns 70, many young American Jews turn awayAlso the Israeli Natalie Portman, the Oscar-winning actress, refused an award because she will be seen with the Israel Prime Minister.
Jesus did miracles so that the unbelieving jews would believe, but they chose not to believe anyway, because their eyes were blinded, and their hearts hardened (John 12:37-43).
All of Israel WILL be saved, but they aren't all Israel, who are of Israel (Romans 9:6-7), because those who are truly Israel are those who believe on Christ (Galatians 3:7-9). Those Jews whose praise are of men are not Jews (Romans 2:28-29), but are the synagogue of Satan (Revelation 3:9) because they are of their father the Devil (John 8:44-45).
Are we to have any yoke with those who are the seed of Satan? Certainly not (Genesis 3:14-15), because there is already a natural enmity there.
There are no obligations for the man-made state of Israel. If they convert to Christianity then there would be an obligation, but there is no reason to support one group of unbelievers over another group of unbelievers. I wouldn't trust much of what Hagee says.I've heard different points of view about Israel and Christianity
but what exactly is a christian's obligation to Israel? This one
preacher John Haggee says it's mandatory, yet I hear other
opinions that focuses on replacement theology. What's going on?
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