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So you cannot deal with anything out of your belief box. OK. Unless you can prove that our present forces and laws were in place, all you say is null and void.Last Thursdayism.
So you cannot deal with anything out of your belief box.
Unless you can prove that our present forces and laws were in place, all you say is null and void.
Irrelevant. The issue is not what is now observed, but how the ERVs got around long ago.
The present and current transposition is irrelevant. We need to know how they used to get around.
Irrelevant. The issue is not what is now observed, but how the ERVs got around long ago.
So you cannot deal with anything out of your belief box. OK. Unless you can prove that our present forces and laws were in place, all you say is null and void.
You remember our debate don't you LM?
The ERVs represent what percentage of the genome again LM, 1%, 4% or 8%?
You were always confused about the actual facts just wondering if you ever figured it out.
Yes. You have your beliefs. I have mine. Just be honest. All your models depend on the laws and forces we know here and now. That's your trip.There is no belief box. There is an evidence box.
Utterly false. First you assume and accept and believe that they were the same, then you use that result as supposed evidence that they were the same. Pathetic. Overdone. Passe. Defeated.Evidence shows that physical laws have not changed for billions of years.
Supernova 1987a
"We have now established by trigonometric measurement that SN1987A is at a distance of about 167,000 light years and verified the speed of light is not significantly changed since the time and place of SN1987A. This demonstrates that the events surrounding Supernova 1987A took place some 167,000 years ago and YEC is therefore falsified."
No. Actually it truly is null and void in every real sense of the words. Name ANYTHING that is not present state deoendent that you would like to offer as evidence?? Lurkers, be prepared...there is NOTHING else. Ever. This I have seen, now you may watch. They offer rhetoric, false bravado, and belief piled on belief. This they call science. No more however...the jig is up.Its only "null and void" in your own little myopic mind. Nobody cares about that anymore.
Nonsense! For starters, explain how you think you determine which ones are mutations?We can observe how those ERV's used to infect genomes by reconstructing the retrovirus. This is done by using a consensus sequence of HERV-K insertions. By aligning several insertions you can determine which differences are mutations and which are not, and then construct the ancestral sequence. Here is a simple illustration of how a consensus sequence works:
insertion 1: ACAAAAAAA
insertion 2: AAAAAAAAA
insertion 3: AAAAAAAAA
insertion 4: AAAATAAAA
The C in insertion 1 is a mutation and the T in insertion 4 is a mutation. The consensus sequence is all A's.
When you reconstruct HERV-K insertions using this technique it produces a viable retrovirus that acts just like modern retroviruses.
If you want to claim that physical laws were different, then you have a serious problem. The same physical laws that allow retroviruses to insert into the genome are the same physical laws that allow our DNA to work. They are one in the same. If retroviruses did not work in the past then neither did our cells.
Nonsense! For starters, explain how you think you determine which ones are mutations?
Yes. You have your beliefs. I have mine. Just be honest. All your models depend on the laws and forces we know here and now. That's your trip.
Yeah. Well newsflash: You haven't. You have established that you believe space is the same, the laws are the same and that you wouldn't recognize actual distances if the slapped you sideways.
dad's a weird sort of Christian in that he doesn't seem to believe in miracles, he thinks the laws of nature change to facilitate something happening out of the ordinary.
In other words you can't. OK. The rules you seek to impose need to be under a light here, not sluffed off as hot stuff by cunning slate of hand. Come into the light of day, and let's see what you really got. Anytime....I already did. It is done by constructing a consensus sequence using the rules of parsimony. I showed how it was done using 4 idealized sequences.
I don't know if they changed, or if we just don't really know what we are looking at. From all evos say so far, I lean to the latter as of today.Oh, I know. I took dad off my ignore list a few days ago for some long delayed comedy. Just waiting for him to tell us how the laws of trigonometry have changed over time so he can ignore Supernova 1987a.
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Except that I believe in every miracle of the bible, and untold trillions of others. I just do not invent sextillions of miracles to account for the differences in the past nature.dad's a weird sort of Christian in that he doesn't seem to believe in miracles, he thinks the laws of nature change to facilitate something happening out of the ordinary.
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