I already gave you an answer to this question 3 times.
They came from God.
God created angels, spiritual beings, one way, and the evidence in God's creation says he created humans, biological beings, another way.
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The question in my OP is: "Where did the angels come from?" Do you have an answer?
Where, Dan, where did angels come from --- not Who did they come from.I already gave you an answer to this question 3 times.
They came from God.
So you go by spiritual Documentation to support the angels, and man-made mundane documentation to support humans --- is this correct?God created angels, spiritual beings, one way, and the evidence in God's creation says he created humans, biological beings, another way.
I'm basing my opinion on the work of God. the product of his hand and no one else's.And, no, the evidence in God's creation doesn't say He created humans another way.
If you think that's so, please show me from Genesis One, where God detailed what He did.
And it just happens to agree with the McGraw-Hill Bible --- is that correct?I'm basing my opinion on the work of God. the product of his hand and no one else's.
I'm basing my opinion on the work of God. the product of his hand and no one else's.
At least McGraw-Hill textbooks have an accurate discription of nature, unlike a book that includes four legged insects, still standing suns, and plants that can live without the light and heat of the sun for a full day.And it just happens to agree with the McGraw-Hill Bible --- is that correct?
And I'm tired of hearing that this stuff cannot be investigated.This whole discussion is pointless. as supernatural beings, angels are not invesigable by science. they have no relevence to evolution as they arent subject to it... unless they reproduce.
2 Kings 6:17 said:And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
Trying to shift the focus now?At least McGraw-Hill textbooks have an accurate discription of nature, unlike one that includes four legged insects, still standing suns, and plants that can live without the light and heat of the sun for a full day.
i dunno about a machine but there are plenty of substances that can do that quite effectively.And I'm tired of hearing that this stuff cannot be investigated.
If it can't then don't tell me God didn't do it contrary to His Documentation --- okay?
If you want to even get my attention, then build a machine that can do this ---
Originally Posted by 2 Kings 6:17And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
Have a good day ---i dunno about a machine but there are plenty of substances that can do that quite effectively.
Where, Dan, where did angels come from --- not Who did they come from.
In my opinion, they came from nowhere --- i.e. ex nihilo.So you go by spiritual Documentation to support the angels, and man-made mundane documentation to support humans --- is this correct?
And, no, the evidence in God's creation doesn't say He created humans another way.
If you think that's so, please show me from Genesis One --- the chapter where God detailed what He did, and how He did it.
i dunno about a machine but there are plenty of substances that can do that quite effectively.
Do you have any evidence from God's creation or scripture to support your opinion the angels were created ex nihilo? The bible tells us God created all things, including angels, but I don't know that it says he created them ex nihilo.Where, Dan, where did angels come from --- not Who did they come from.
In my opinion, they came from nowhere --- i.e. ex nihilo.So you go by spiritual Documentation to support the angels, and man-made mundane documentation to support humans --- is this correct?
You mean the chapter that tells us that God using the earth, commanding the earth to produce living creatures, is the same as God making them himself?And, no, the evidence in God's creation doesn't say He created humans another way.
If you think that's so, please show me from Genesis One --- the chapter where God detailed what He did, and how He did it.
Do you have any evidence from God's creation or scripture to support your opinion the angels were created ex nihilo? The bible tells us God created all things, including angels, but I don't know that it says he created them ex nihilo.
You mean the chapter that tells us that God using the earth, commanding the earth to produce living creatures, is the same as God making them himself?
Gen 1:24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures
25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. according to their kinds--livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so.
It sounds to me like the chapter is saying that divinely ordained natural processes are part of God's work of creation. Quite TE that.
You have to expand you search a bit further, into chapter 2, to see God making man from mud. However Job claimed God made him from clay too Job 10:9 Remember that you have made me like clay; and will you return me to the dust? And Isaiah tells us we are all made of clay the work of God's hand Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand. It sounds like the bible is not always being literal when it talks of God as a potter making people from clay. Isaiah was born by natural biological processes, his dad's name was Amoz. There is no contradiction in the bible between being told God made people out of clay, and God actually using the biological processes he him created.
As I said, the reason is really wonderful. It implies that SETI will never find intelligent life anywhere in this universe.
as long as that reproduction process is imperfect (and it is) and resources are limited (and they always will be) evolution occurs.[hey, do not smuggle the idea of evolution into this. The "natural" process of human reproduction is NOT evolution]
I hope this is it. Usually when I don't respond, it's because I've covered the subject many times before, or I suspect subterfuge. Also, a scientist asking me technical questions when they know I'm technically challenged doesn't set well with me, and I may ignore them, depending on how I feel. You get what you pay for when you ask me questions.AV, care to respond to my post a few pages back?
Yes, that's true. The angels were created ex nihilo, and man was formed from the dust of the earth --- there's a difference.You can't equate creation of the angels with creation of mankind.
Correct.Mankind's creation was described in a lot more detail in Genesis.
Correct.Angels don't get the same treatment.
Outside of the Bible, I'll agree on this. Unless an angel somewhere carved his initials on a tree.Also, there has yet not been any physical evidence for angels.
Some say Goliath and his brothers were Nephilim --- I don't know. Some talk about the Chinese having 10-foot bodyguards --- again, I don't know.Nephilim, ok that's a possible example illustrated in the Bible (although that is in the same chapter as the flood, and that's hardly left evidence either...),
The Royal Guards of the Chinese palaces were supposed to have been 10-feet tall --- I don't know.but has anyone found a skeleton?
Let me quote the late Dr. Henry M. Morris here, in his footnote to Genesis 2:7 ---Now, that's all well and good, but given that on top of that we have tons of physical evidence suggesting we DIDN'T literally form from dirt and God-breath 6000 years ago.
Defender's Study Bible said:dust of the ground. Man's body was formed out of the "elements of the earth," the same materials (carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, etc.) from which both plants and the bodies of the animals had been formed (Genesis 1:12,24). This unity of physical composition is a fact of modern science long anticipated by Scripture.
No question there.You really can't equate the two types of creation.
I have a feeling you made a Freudan Slip here. "Physical evidence that didn't back it up." I wholeheartedly agree. That's the mindset of atheism today --- as long as there's evidence to the contrary, everything's okay.Now, if there were a angelic creation story similar to Genesis and there was physical evidence that didn't back it up, then you'd maybe be going somewhere with this.
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