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i'd say we have, for better or worse.. who knows why AV really asks such questions. i find it the most exasperating way of "debating" ever.Have we sufficiently answered the OP's query?
Angels are not physical beings, thus they do not evolve.
Then why do you even bother with AV?i find trying to get AV to debate in honesty without the rhetoric (ironic that he seems to like to whine about others using it,) like trying to get blood from a turnip
Then why do you even bother with AV?
Please dont pull out the old "Its for the lurkers" card
AV has been done to death
(NB this question is not just directed towards you, but to others who share your POV regarding AV)
So you were 'unreasonable' until you saw the obvious end point (eg- dad, av, etc) of such lack of reason?You can't argue that it is effective. AV's posts were one of my main influences in bringing me to the side of reason.
So you were 'unreasonable' until you saw the obvious end point (eg- dad, av, etc) of such lack of reason?
Or am I completely misunderstanding you?
What does not being physical have to do with it? If God says "evolve", they'll evolve.Angels are not physical beings, thus they do not evolve.
First of all, mutations aren't mistakes per se - they can be beneficial or not. Second, why wouldn't God do that? Aren't His plans beyond our ability to understand?What does not being physical have to do with it? If God says "evolve", they'll evolve.
Truth of the matter is though, God is not a respecter* of persons,** and He would not have one group come into existence by a series of genetic mistakes and not the other.
* Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
** Angels are considered persons.
What does not being physical have to do with it? If God says "evolve", they'll evolve.
Truth of the matter is though, God is not a respecter* of persons,** and He would not have one group come into existence by a series of genetic mistakes and not the other.
* Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
** Angels are considered persons.
You will find that AV1611VET holds quite unique notions about what constitutes mainstream Christian theology, or even Christian theology at all - then again, he holds quite unique notions about everything else too.Um, HUH?! This is not Christian theology by any means. Angels were created before the universe if I understand my Bible at all. Their nature is drastically different from humanity at pretty much every level.
As for the "genetic mistake" canard, I believe that God had everything to do with creating human beings and anything that led up to us was by no means a mistake. Just because you don't understand why God might do it that way, it's a mistake? No thanks.
From ---First of all, mutations aren't mistakes per se...
Answers.com said:Over the eons, advantageous mutations, examples of which we look at later, have allowed life to develop and diversify from primitive cells into the multitude of species—including Homo sapiens—that exist on Earth today. If DNA replicated perfectly every time, without errors, the only life-forms existing now would be those that existed about three billion years ago: single-cell organisms. Mutations, therefore, are critical to the development of diverse life-forms, a phenomenon known as speciation (see Speciation).
What I meant was that mutations aren't always harmful to an organism. Of course they are, by definition, mistakes that happen during DNA replication.From ---
What does not being physical have to do with it? If God says "evolve", they'll evolve.
Truth of the matter is though, God is not a respecter* of persons,** and He would not have one group come into existence by a series of genetic mistakes and not the other.
* Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
** Angels are considered persons.
Thanks for the clarification --- after I posted from Answers.com ---What I meant was that mutations aren't always harmful to an organism. Of course they are, by definition, mistakes that happen during DNA replication.
God didn't make the angels via evolution, and He didn't make us via evolution.But I really don't see where you're going with this.
God didn't make the angels via evolution, and He didn't make us via evolution.
The veritable exemplar of non sequitur.AV1611VET said:God didn't make the angels via evolution, and He didn't make us via evolution.
The question in my OP is: "Where did the angels come from?" Do you have an answer?I don't see the problem here.
The question in my OP is: "Where did the angels come from?" Do you have an answer?
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