AND HOW ARE WE SAVED ?

SavedByGrace3 · Oct 16, 2024

If someone tells you there is a piano hanging over your head, your actions will prove whether you believe it.
If someone tells you that God has made Jesus Lord of all and that He (Jesus) is merciful to all who call on His name, your actions will prove whether you believe it.
Your actions prove if you believe.

Diamond72 · Oct 16, 2024

SavedByGrace3 said:
If someone tells you there is a piano hanging over your head, your actions will prove whether you believe it.
If someone tells you that God has made Jesus Lord of all and that He (Jesus) is merciful to all who call on His name, your actions will prove whether you believe it.
Your actions prove if you believe.

20 years ago, when I was dead for 10 minutes and the fire deptment had to come out with their defibulator to get my heart going. At the time I though that was evidence of a miracle and my belief in God.

If your heart stops beating for 10 minutes, it can have severe consequences1. Without blood circulation, your organs, including your brain, quickly become deprived of oxygen2. This can lead to brain damage and organ failure2. After about 10 minutes, the chances of survival are very low, and immediate medical intervention, such as CPR and defibrillation, is crucial2.

I talked to the fire chief and he said my chance of survival was one in 1200.

SavedByGrace3 · Oct 16, 2024

Diamond72 said:
20 years ago, when I was dead for 10 minutes and the fire deptment had to come out with their defibulator to get my heart going. At the time I though that was evidence of a miracle and my belief in God.

If your heart stops beating for 10 minutes, it can have severe consequences1. Without blood circulation, your organs, including your brain, quickly become deprived of oxygen2. This can lead to brain damage and organ failure2. After about 10 minutes, the chances of survival are very low, and immediate medical intervention, such as CPR and defibrillation, is crucial2.

I talked to the fire chief and he said my chance of survival was one in 1200.

Very nice testimony!
I had an NDE at the age of 4 months.
They say an infant cannot remember anything because the brain is not advanced enough to create connections etc. etc
When I was a youth, I had a recurring memory of floating in a room. I saw the room light on the ceiling above my head. I suddenly seem to shoot up through the ceiling and into a blue sky. I traveled higher and heard angels singing. I saw a bright light, but then everything blacked out. I had no idea what this was about. My mother used to hit me with a guilt trip every time I misbehaved. She would say something like, "They said you were dead, but I brought you home..." She died young, and I never had the opportunity to ask her what she was talking about.
I asked my brother, when I got older, what happened and what she was talking about. He told me that at the age of 4 months, she came into the nursery and found me turned blue and not breathing. She picked me up and carried me out to the yard, where my father talked to some neighbors. One neighbor, a nurse, told them to rush me straight to the hospital. The hospital was over a mile away through city streets. I had no idea how long I had been in that state when I arrived at the hospital. Shortly after arrival, they called for the Episcopal Priest to baptize me. They thought I was dead. Somehow, they revived me and, thinking I might have polio, placed me in an iron lung. I have located the newspaper note saying that I was released from the hospital in May of that year. I was four months old when they released me. My brother said they thought I died of SID (sudden infant death). So that is my NDE story.

Diamond72 · Oct 16, 2024

SavedByGrace3 said:
So that is my NDE story.

I have had a lot of dreams and visions. I do not remember anything from when I was actually dead. The concept of death becomes complex when we consider medical advancements like resuscitation. I remember once when I was in Fort Sam Houston hospital. A doctor walked in the room and told me I should not be alive. Then he turned around and walked out and did not tell me any more than that.

Dan Perez · Oct 19, 2024

Hoping2 said:
Why would he have spoke of anyone else besides Israelites ?
The NT wasn't for anyone but Jews, until Cornelius' house showed it was also for Gentiles.
That is when Peter said..."Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." (Acts 10:47-48)

And Acts is all for Israel and ACTS 28:25-28 says so and Israel was sett aside and verse 28 says Therefore , let it be known

to you that the salvation of God was SENT to the GENTILES , and they will HEAR !!

dan p

Hoping2 · Oct 19, 2024

Dan Perez said:
And Acts is all for Israel and ACTS 28:25-28 says so and Israel was sett aside and verse 28 says Therefore , let it be known to you that the salvation of God was SENT to the GENTILES , and they will HEAR !!
dan p

Too bad most of Israel rejected Jesus, and the book of Acts.
Too bad most Gentiles also rejected them.

Diamond72 · Oct 19, 2024

Hoping2 said:
Too bad most Gentiles also rejected them.

They never stop to think were we get out Bible from.

Hoping2 · Oct 19, 2024

Diamond72 said:
They never stop to think were we get out Bible from.

Those that reject the bible, also reject God.
They hate the idea of anyOne telling what to do.
It is self-idolatry.

Dan Perez · Oct 21, 2024

Hoping2 said:
Too bad most of Israel rejected Jesus, and the book of Acts.
Too bad most Gentiles also rejected them.

And Paul wrote by the Holy Spirit , in Acts 28:28 that the GENTILES will Hear !!

And in Eph 1:4 Gentiles were CHOSEN //EKLEGOMAI us for himself BEFORE // PRO the OVERTHROW // of the world and is still saving Gentiles for over 2000 years .

dan p

Hoping2 · Oct 21, 2024

Dan Perez said:
And Paul wrote by the Holy Spirit , in Acts 28:28 that the GENTILES will Hear !!

Some will, just as some of the Israelites have and will hear.

Dan Perez said:
And in Eph 1:4 Gentiles were CHOSEN us for himself BEFORE the OVERTHROW of the world and is still saving Gentiles for over 2000 years .

If we are "in Him", we are chosen !

Dan Perez · Oct 21, 2024

Hoping2 said:
Some will, just as some of the Israelites have and will hear.

If we are "in Him", we are chosen !

And in 1 Tim 1:15 , Paul says that Christ Jesus came into the world to saved SINNERS , of whom I am FIRST // PROTOS and verse 17 says that Paul is the PATTERN OF THE ONES coming to believe on Him ( meaning Christ ) unto everlasting Life .

Your thoughts on these verses ??

dan p

Diamond72 · Oct 21, 2024

Dan Perez said:
And in Eph 1:4 Gentiles were CHOSEN //EKLEGOMAI us for himself BEFORE // PRO the OVERTHROW // of the world and is still saving Gentiles for over 2000 years .

Jesus called the Gentiles dogs. They were not saved until after Pentecost. The disciples were very surprised that the gentiles would be saved. Jesus never told them about that.

Dan Perez said:
Your thoughts on these verses ??

Paul's humility and sense of remorse are apparent in his writings. In 1 Timothy 1:15, he refers to himself as the "worst of sinners" because of his past persecution of Christians before his conversion on the road to Damascus.

Dan Perez · Oct 21, 2024

Diamond72 said:
Jesus called the Gentiles dogs. They were not saved until after Pentecost. The disciples were very surprised that the gentiles would be saved. Jesus never told them about that.

Paul's humility and sense of remorse are apparent in his writings. In 1 Timothy 1:15, he refers to himself as the "worst of sinners" because of his past persecution of Christians before his conversion on the road to Damascus.

I am keeping to what the KJV Greek text has translated 1 Tim 1:15 was written , that Christ Jesus ( called the I AM ) and then Paul has written by the Holy SPIRIT ) says about himself , of whom I AM , the FIRST // PROTOS .

dan p

Diamond72 · Oct 21, 2024

Dan Perez said:
I AM , the FIRST // PROTOS .

Perhaps that is why Mark 10:44 says: "whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all."

Hoping2 · Oct 21, 2024

Dan Perez said:
And in 1 Tim 1:15 , Paul says that Christ Jesus came into the world to saved SINNERS , of whom I am FIRST // PROTOS and verse 17 says that Paul is the PATTERN OF THE ONES coming to believe on Him ( meaning Christ ) unto everlasting Life .

Your thoughts on these verses ??

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief." (1 Tim 1:15)
Paul points out that even though he once persecuted the church, that even he could be saved.

Diamond72 · Oct 22, 2024

Hoping2 said:
Paul points out that even though he once persecuted the church, that even he could be saved

Corrie ten Boom's story of forgiveness is truly remarkable. After surviving the horrors of Ravensbrück concentration camp, where her sister Betsie died, Corrie encountered one of the guards from the camp in 1947. This meeting took place in a church in Munich, and the guard approached her, seeking forgiveness. Despite the immense pain and suffering she endured, Corrie found the strength to forgive him, demonstrating an extraordinary act of grace and compassion12.

It's a powerful testament to the human spirit's capacity for forgiveness and healing.

Hoping2 · Oct 22, 2024

Diamond72 said:
Corrie ten Boom's story of forgiveness is truly remarkable. After surviving the horrors of Ravensbrück concentration camp, where her sister Betsie died, Corrie encountered one of the guards from the camp in 1947. This meeting took place in a church in Munich, and the guard approached her, seeking forgiveness. Despite the immense pain and suffering she endured, Corrie found the strength to forgive him, demonstrating an extraordinary act of grace and compassion12.

It's a powerful testament to the human spirit's capacity for forgiveness and healing.

Do you think that either one of those folks went out and committed adultery, that they would be found guiltless on the final day ?
God doesn't forgive the unrepentant.

Dan Perez · Oct 22, 2024

Hoping2 said:
Some will, just as some of the Israelites have and will hear.

If we are "in Him", we are chosen !

And Eph 1: we were CHOSEN // EKIEGOMAI , is in the AORIST TENSE , meaning Chosen BEFORE // PRO the foundation

in the n INDICATIVE MOOD , which means you better BELIEVE IT , in the SINGULAR , meaning that Christ did only chose us just

one TIME , except for those in Rom 9:11 >

dan p

Diamond72 · Oct 22, 2024

Hoping2 said:
Do you think that either one of those folks went out and committed adultery, that they would be found guiltless on the final day ?

Corrie Tan Boon does not go into that but Steven Spielberg does in his movie. "Schindler's List" does depict the sexual abuse and exploitation of women in the concentration camps. The film portrays the brutal and dehumanizing conditions that prisoners, especially women, faced during the Holocaust. It's a powerful and harrowing depiction of the atrocities committed during that time.

The Bible is clear that we have to forgive others if we want to be forgiven. Matthew 6:14-15: “For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.”

It was difficult for Corrie but she was able to forgive with God's help. She does mention sexual exploitations where they were forced to take their clothing off for the guards.

Dan Perez · Oct 22, 2024

Diamond72 said:
Corrie Tan Boon does not go into that but Steven Spielberg does in his movie. "Schindler's List" does depict the sexual abuse and exploitation of women in the concentration camps. The film portrays the brutal and dehumanizing conditions that prisoners, especially women, faced during the Holocaust. It's a powerful and harrowing depiction of the atrocities committed during that time.

The Bible is clear that we have to forgive others if we want to be forgiven. Matthew 6:14-15: “For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.”

It was difficult for Corrie but she was able to forgive with God's help. She does mention sexual exploitations where they were forced to take their clothing off for the guards.

Read 1 Cor 1-13 and see how Paul handles the sin of FORNICATION !!

dan p

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