Anabaptism and me

GorrionGris · Jul 30, 2007

I was considering how to phrase this post without starting a flame, and the title was already a hard one.

So, please understand I am not trying to offend anybody, nor start a debate, nor anything, just to make a question and listen.

So... help me God

Well there are many things I like about Anabaptism but there is one issue that bars me from being Anabaptism. The issue is the historical existence of the Church.

I mean the Church of Christ has to exist since Pentecost to this day, and the Anabaptist groups were not there until the 15th century or so...

Please, understand this issue is critical for me

WayneinMaine · Jul 30, 2007

GorrionGris said:
I was considering how to phrase this post without starting a flame, and the title was already a hard one.

So, please understand I am not trying to offend anybody, nor start a debate, nor anything, just to make a question and listen.

So... help me God

Well there are many things I like about Anabaptism but there is one issue that bars me from being Anabaptism. The issue is the historical existence of the Church.

I mean the Church of Christ has to exist since Pentecost to this day, and the Anabaptist groups were not there until the 15th century or so...

Please, understand this issue is critical for me

I guess you would have to identifty which group historically can lay claim to being the "Church of Christ" which has existed since Pentecost, and then validate the claim of that group. I can guess where you are coming from but I'd like to hear your response.

GorrionGris · Jul 31, 2007

WayneinMaine said:
I guess you would have to identifty which group historically can lay claim to being the "Church of Christ" which has existed since Pentecost, and then validate the claim of that group. I can guess where you are coming from but I'd like to hear your response.

Well I obviously think it is only the Catholic Church (or maybe the Orthodox) the one who can answer that claim.

WayneinMaine · Jul 31, 2007

GorrionGris said:
Well I obviously think it is only the Catholic Church (or maybe the Orthodox) the one who can answer that claim.

That is not so obvious. How is it that a church in Rome has a more valid claim, or a church in Russia or Etheopia. Surely the Jews have a better claim if it's a matter of historical links.

GorrionGris · Aug 2, 2007

I mean where was any other denomination back then?

WayneinMaine · Aug 2, 2007

GorrionGris said:
I mean where was any other denomination back then?

At Pentecost there was a church, a single church. A hundred years later there were churches in cities and towns throughout the Mediteranian, and they did not all believe or practice in the same way. There were "Christians" of different sorts in the same region and sometimes in the same city. Which of these factions, having descended at such an early date from the apostolic missions sent out by Christ and the church in Jerusalem, could claim to be the true church? What criteria could be used to say that a particular faction in a particular Greek or African city could claim to be an authentic "church"?

GorrionGris · Aug 2, 2007

WayneinMaine said:
At Pentecost there was a church, a single church. A hundred years later there were churches in cities and towns throughout the Mediteranian, and they did not all believe or practice in the same way. There were "Christians" of different sorts in the same region and sometimes in the same city. Which of these factions, having descended at such an early date from the apostolic missions sent out by Christ and the church in Jerusalem, could claim to be the true church? What criteria could be used to say that a particular faction in a particular Greek or African city could claim to be an authentic "church"?

to be founded by the apostles?

GorrionGris · Aug 2, 2007

Dear WayneinMaine

I appreciate your efforts. However, bear in mind, I cannot take any important decision right now, as I am under a big load of stress at work, so forgive me if I seem obnoxious

yeshuaslavejeff · Aug 3, 2007

GorrionGris said:
I mean where was any other denomination back then?

There were factions and divisiveness but no dneominations the first couple hundred years or so. the ruling government along with evil religious apostate leaders formed governmental church(es) and persecuted the true believers everywhere they could.. the true believers were persecuted, not put in power, and did not seek nor gain political nor religious power.
for the simplest to understand accurate explanation of current troubles with all the groupg, read the reviews halfway down the page or so at the link:
http://www.amazon.com/Normal-Christ...1679368?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186183711&sr=8-2
(get the book if you can, at the library or wherever)

another eye opener is at:
http://www.bible.ca/cath-bible-attitude-towards.htm

really unexpect news

RMDY · Sep 7, 2007

GorrionGris said:
I was considering how to phrase this post without starting a flame, and the title was already a hard one.

So, please understand I am not trying to offend anybody, nor start a debate, nor anything, just to make a question and listen.

So... help me God

Well there are many things I like about Anabaptism but there is one issue that bars me from being Anabaptism. The issue is the historical existence of the Church.

I mean the Church of Christ has to exist since Pentecost to this day, and the Anabaptist groups were not there until the 15th century or so...

Please, understand this issue is critical for me

God dwells within the bodies of christians, not in buildings. They make up his church.

RMDY · Sep 7, 2007

Mick116 · Sep 14, 2007

What about the Orthodox Churches, the Oriental Orthodox Communion, the Assyrian Church of the East, and the Anglican Church? These can just as easily trace their histories back to apostolic times.

Besides, any Protestant has connection to the apostolic Church through the scriptures and more importantly through fellowship in the one Spirit.

RMDY · Sep 15, 2007

The assyrian church?

Mick116 · Sep 15, 2007

JohnChapter14 said:
The assyrian church?

The so-called "Nestorian" Church.

http://www.assyrianchurch.com.au/
http://www.nestorian.org/

DarkNLovely · Oct 29, 2007

I have looked into this same issue and my conclusion is this: there are no records of the RCC or EOC's links to Paul. Just claims and speculation, but nothing solid. They all claim the same thing, so how on earth can they both be right. They also do not take into account the fact that for hundreds of years before the first ecu council, the church was badly persecuted making the idea of a physical church a little absurd. The more I consider this, the more I see why the Reformation took place. Any true physical church of God should be highly manifest and have real documentation proving their claims. I don't buy it frankly. I see certain Protestant groups and Anabaptists as closer to the truth of scripture. I couldn't care less about rituals and liturgies and church traditions of questionable origins.

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