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An idea to reduce oil consumption and restructure the way we pay taxes.

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HUH?

Taxes have never been used that way, until just recently. Taxes are to fund the government.

Only recently have politicians decided they should manipulate the behaviors of the population by taxation.
Which is why most of our politicians don't deserve to be in office. Our country is teetering on th edge of the very reason we revolted against King Charles. The people being abused by the government for the sake of a few.
 
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How about we stop spending billions in Iraq and instead put that money towards a "Manhattan Project" to be energy independent? Our gas prices are high due to the low value of the dollar. If we get all of our energy domestically, it won't matter that our dollar is low compared to other countries currencies.
 
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Or perhaps - use the extra income to develop a decent public transportation system that will be affordable to those with less-than-stellar incomes? That's what we do over here - cars are very expensive, just the (mandatory) insurance and taxes alone. Public transportation, both inner- and intra-city, is cheap and efficient.
 
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You don't have to convince me. I think we should pull out of Iraq, Japan, Germany, England, Italy, Korea, Bahrain, Spain, Brazil, and all of the other places we have forces. We should keep a strong Navy and Marine Corps, as the Constitution authorizes, draw down the Army and Air Force, and reallocate that money for energy independence. I think we should have a National Health Insurance that COMPETES with the private sector, not replaces it. We should get rid of the Department of Education. Social Security should be privatized. Lobbyists should be put in prison. Congress should have term limits. The Presidential term should be 10 years (so we stop considering these morons that keep running, when people realize that they are stuck with a quasi-king for a decade).
 
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I can agree with all of that, except that I think the retirement benefit side of social security should be abolished, not privatized. Our government must provide for the weak - but not for the retiremwent of the able-minded, able-bodied who worked (or could have) for 40 years. Also, shooting lobyists is cheaper than improsoning them. Our streamlined new military is going to need something to use for target practice. Also, there is a value to forward basing, I would keep some foreign bases open. It's nice to have a friendly airstrip or drydock and repair facilities on the other side of the globe. I don't see any sense in maintaing a huge standing Army when opupying other countries is something that I simply do not want us doing. Tanks and rifles should not be the arms with which opur policies are carried out anymore. They are expensive and ocupying foreign lands is a political nightmare. We can destroy our enemies without ever landing on their soil. We have no reason to overthrow governments when it's so much cheaper to just wreck all their best toys.
 
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Yep............
The U.S could have easily been out of this situation, we have the technology, it's just being withheld.

All this is.........Big boys with big toys playing with peoples lives.
 
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I can agree with that in regards to going to Iraq. That was a big mistake. But regardless we cannot leave Iraq if it means the possibility that Iran will go in there and finish off the Kurds and even worse. Irans plans are to take it when we leave and defend its new borders with a nuclear arsenal.

Also, trying to take the convenient road- using surgical strikes to destroy the leadership in 'ghanistan only resulted in them flying commercial airliners into high rises in Manhattan. If you think tanks and rifles are expensive then you should think of the cost of dirty bombs.

What happens when we don't have a large army and they set that dirty bomb off and chill in Syria and we are not capable of getting to them ?
 
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That's why I favor much stronger security on our borders and at air and sea ports.

..and I think we can go get them in Syria if need be. Syria is weak and but for oil (the oil I want us to buy much less of). We can launch surgical attacks against Syria with legitimate cause today withoput upsetting the stability of the world very much. Now, if terrorists start camping out in china or Russia, then we have a problem. Fortunately, today it doesn't look like either Russia or China would tollerate that.

I'm not terribly worried about dirty bombs. I tend to think that they would be far less destructive than people fear - in fact, I think people's fear is all that could make one effective, much more so than the radioactive material it would let loose. People should be educated post haste on exactly what a dirty bomb can and cannot do. It cannot render a city uninhabitable, and it is very unlikely that many people would lose their lives from one. I would be expensive and inconvinient to clean up, but nowhere near as bad as 9/11.

I certainly don't have all the answers, but I can't think of any situations where huge beach landings, troop surges and 1000s of airborne troops coming out of the sky is the most efficient way to do business. commando raids? Certainly. Invasions? Nah.
 
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I haven't heard anything about Iran wanting to wipe out the Kurds. Do you recall where you heard that?
 
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I don't support your idea at all, Mike. I drive a big truck which gets terrible gas mileage. I support folks going green because it will lower the cost of gas for me. If I can get enough folks to go green, then I plan upgrade to a V-10

The last thing I want to see is more taxes on the consumer. Let's tax the profits from oil companies to pay for military arms...
 
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Do you know how much taxes the oil companies have already paid?
 
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