An agnostic's conundrum

lostsheepwithoutashepard said:

hmm, apologists, fine who knows you can explain some things away but not others, such as why does the bible support a stationary eath, and that the moon gives of its own light, that they say pi equals exactly 3, any responce

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Can you provide scripture to explain that question first, as I don't understand.

Cheers!
Digit

Ok I just did a little reading, and the suggestions of a stationary earth are very tenuous at best. In fact you would need to take several verses very literally in order to even hint at it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_geocentrism

Has a quick rundown of them.

Cheers!
Digit

Some info on the pi equals 3.0 issue. To be honest, I find that if you google these things, you will find a reliable reference. As to the question of whether I believe these things specifically or not, I can't honestly say I have ever really thought about them in any depth. It's not like I wake up one morning and go, "Ack! The Bible says pi = 3.0, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!" and collapse sobbing. To me it's a bit of a non-issue, and it only reaffirms my faith more that there is a logical reason for these apparent issues.

Digit.

Edit: Did you want me to look up the moonlight issue, or are you ok to go for it yourself?

lostsheepwithoutashepard said:

heres a one
GE 1:12, 16 PLANTS GROW BEFORE THERES A SUN

GE 4: 17 CAIN BUILDS AND POPULATES A CITY IN 2 GENERATIONS

LE 11: 6 STATES THAT RABBITS CHEW CUD

JS 10: 12-14 GOD STOPS THE SUN AND THE MOON

JB 9: 7 GOD STOPS THE SUN FROM RISING AND SEALS UP THE STARS

IS 40: 20 THE EARTH IS A CIRCLE (FLAT EARTH THEREY)

HOW ABOUT THOSE

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Ok, can I ask something at this point before we both dive headlong into research.

If I answer all these questions satisfactorily, are you going to become a Christian?

Digit

lostsheepwithoutashepard said:

Depends On If The Answers Are Satisfactory And If I Cant Find Others

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Right, so really in essence. No. You will always be able to find other answers, or someone who has a different theory, I think the real lesson to take here, is to begin thinking for yourself. I am as guilty of this as you sometimes, in that I will read something and immediately adopt it without thought, before actually taking time to look into it.

Basically lostsheepwithoutashepard, the problem here is that you want me to argue you into Christianity. Which isn't going to happen. Not simply because I don't think I should do that, but it rarely works and provides a good and sound faith to base your life on. I could happily answer your questions, I would do the same thing you do which is to google up some info, read it to make sure I agree and then link you to it. You would read it, google up a counter and thus the wonderful google-circle would be complete.

By the way, it doesn't say that plants grow before there was a sun, it says that they were created before there was a sun, which is true. Have a think on that one, if you wish to pursue this, I will happily oblige although it may serve you better to research these things yourself, as really that's all I will be doing, you should know that many issues with Biblical precision, come down to two main things:

A) Passages taken out of context and with the assumption that God is not omnipotent.
B) Mistranslation of the original scripture in Hebrew/Greek.

Cheers!
Digit

lostsheepwithoutashepard said:

So Basicly You Dont Have The Answers And Your Passing It Off As A Waste Of Your Time Trying To Answer Them

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Please explain how you reached that conclusion from this statement of mine:

"Have a think on that one, if you wish to pursue this, I will happily oblige..."

In addition, a Christian saying, "I don't know." is as valid a response as one giving you an answer. We don't claim to know everything and indeed we do not.

I already answered your first issue, in that yes, plants were created before the sun, stars and moon. Also please recall, this forum is not a debate forum, it's for non-Christians to see a Christian perspective on things. In that aspect, I don't want to get into a debate here about things, but I will happily answer questions that you raise, like I said above:

"Have a think on that one, if you wish to pursue this, I will happily oblige..."

Digit

Actually something which may help you reach a conclusion about the plants thing, is that do you think Adam and Eve waited around for 70 years whilst the trees grew and bore fruit for them to eat, or do you think that God created everything whole, complete and ready to reproduce?

I prefer the latter, not the former.

Digit

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