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Take me for instance, I am a monist and I believe in annihilationism, but I do not post on here in support of those view
I personally wouldn't want you to change unless you become convinced.And sometimes as Christians we hold fast, uncompromising in the face of terrible error.
I am not saying Jesus is not fully divine and fully man. To deny that Jesus is God is not to deny His divinity. There is a Divine unity of the Father and Son, but they are not the same person (nor are they two persons as one person).
I would have to ask, what do you believe "divine" means?
Do you mean Montanist - gifts of the Spirit, prophecy et al?
I believe Divine means the nature or character(istics) of God.
Changing your view is not an option?
Btw do all SDAs share the same view as yours?
The Church founders believed in what I believe in, though, which is the funny part.
I've always thought I believed the Trinity, but I just realized I don't even know what the Trinity doctrine teaches exactly.
Here is what I believe:
The Godhead consists of God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I believe that they are each eternal and equal in purpose, but not the same being.
Changing my view is not an option.
Also, no, SDAs in general believe in what eoe posted. The Church founders believed in what I believe in, though, which is the funny part.
So do I have stop posting here? What sections can Non-Trins post in?
dittoHowdy Sunrunner, just trying to get a handle on where you are at here.
James White, Uriah Smith, Waggoner, etc. . believed in semi-arianism, and believed that Jesus at one time in the remote past had a beginning. Is this your view?
Is your concern that you don't want to consider Jesus as God because the title is reserved for the Father in your understanding?
I appreciate your stand either way. You must believe what you are convinced of.
The early Adventists disagreed with each other on many theological and Christological issues. They didn't have an official statement of beliefs as we have today, nor did they want one at first. However, as they studied and tried to work out these difficulties, they gradually moved toward more orthodox positions on the Trinity and the nature of Christ. The historic Adventist position on things is not always the right one.
I appreciate your stand either way. You must believe what you are convinced of.
God is one in His ontos, and three in persona. That is about the shortest I can say it.
Right, Tall, this I whole heartily agree on. I don't think you should profess something you have no conviction in. Your whole mind and heart needs to be in it for there to be a conviction. Otherwise you are just lying to yourself.
Again and again we shall be called to meet the influence of men who are studying sciences of satanic origin, through which Satan is working to make a nonentity of God and of Christ. The Father and the Son each have a personality. Christ declared, "I and My Father are one." Yet it was the Son of God who came to the world in human form. Laying aside His royal robe and kingly crown, He clothed His divinity with humanity, that humanity through His infinite sacrifice might become partakers of the divine nature, and escape the corruption that is in the world through lust.--Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 68. (1909)
I am instructed to say, The sentiments of those who are searching for advanced scientific ideas are not to be trusted. Such representations as the following are made: "The Father is as the light invisible: the Son is as the light embodied; the Spirit is the light shed abroad." "The Father is like the dew, invisible vapor; the Son is like the dew gathered in beauteous form; the Spirit is like the dew fallen to the seat of life." Another representation: "The Father is like the invisible vapor; the Son is like the leaden cloud; the Spirit is rain fallen and working in refreshing power."
All these spiritualistic representations are simply nothingness. They are imperfect, untrue. They weaken and diminish the Majesty which no earthy likeness can be compared to. God cannot be compared with the things His hands have made. These are mere earthly things, suffering under the curse of God because of the sins of man. The Father cannot be described by the things of earth. The Father is all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. {Ev 614.2}
The Son is all the fullness of the Godhead manifested. The Word of God declares Him to be "the express image of His person." "God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Here is shown the personality of the Father.
The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers --the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit--those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.-- Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905)
In speaking of his pre-existence, Christ carries the mind back through dateless ages. He assures us that there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God. He to whose voice the Jews were then listening had been with God as one brought up with Him.--Signs of the Times, Aug. 29, 1900.
While God's Word speaks of the humanity of Christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding His pre-existence. The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with His Father. From everlasting He was the Mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if they accepted Him, were to be blessed. "The Word was with God, and the Word was God." Before men or angels were created, the Word was with God, and was God.--Review and Herald, April 5, 1906.
Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures.--Signs of the Times, May 3, 1899.
Jesus declared, "I am the resurrection, and the life." In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived. "He that hath the Son hath life." The divinity of Christ is the believer's assurance of eternal life.--The Desire of Ages, p. 530 (1898)
The eternal heavenly dignitaries--God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit--arming them [the disciples] with more than mortal energy, . . . would advance with them to the work and convince the world of sin.--Manuscript 145, 1901.
The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."--Manuscript 20, 1906.
Sunrunner (exert) said:Here is what I believe:
I base this on John 5:7 and 8.
5:7 says: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
This defines the Godhead, of course. Then the next verse explains the Godhead:
"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." (Added word in italics)
Now, obviously blood, water, and spirit are not the same substance. It says that they "bear witness in earth." I believe that these are baptisms. We are born of the Spirit, we are baptized in water, and we are cleansed with the blood of Christ. Now these three are not one and the same any more than the Father, Son, and Spirit are: They are however, one in purpose.
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