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Am I being "called" or not? If so, will I be rejected?

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They are not one and the same. Jesus never summoned anyone, but commanded them.

"Calling" is never used to describe what Jesus did, regardless of how "nice" it sounds in church to say He did. Can you find Scripture to show Jesus "summoning" anyone into ministry? Yes? No? But, Jesus surely commanded many people to comply with Him. Let me know if you are still uncertain about this distinction.

It is also a good idea for one to think why these errors occur within popularized church culture, since these notions are not part of the carefully worded truth in Scripture. I think this idea of "calling" for ministry has come about because it makes the ministers look "nicer," and more compliant because of how they "feel" about their faith. Nobody wants a person to minister to them because the minister feels obligated. People like to be "nu-u-u-urtured" by a soft kind of parent. It makes the Christian faith much more appealing and easy to accept, doesn't it? Lol.

"Calling" also makes one think that the minister is there by means of his superior discernment, and fine sensitivity. Thuis is very strange, because Jesus selected to be the majority of His Disciples brutish and poorly educated fishermen, not finely educated, lovely appearing, and emotionally sensitive seminary graduates. Lol.

Could this be a reason real men are not coming to church, these days?
 
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Deacons and elders are indeed to be tested by the Church before installation, according to Scripture.

Job was tested by Satan, who wanted to "sift" him, and not by God, in case you are interestsd.
 
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Humans do not "allow for grace" to do anything in other people's lives. Sorry, that is not an idea from Scripture. Scripture does not anywhere say for believers to "allow for grace." Grace occurs from God regardless of what people imagine should happen. That is called "Soveriegnty."

If indeed this man is to know that other people should "allow for grace" in considering his two failed marriages, would it not be more effective for you to speak to these people, rather than just to the man in here? Are you just trying to set him up for some stanced confrontation while he is expecting this "allowance for grace?" Did you know that "chatting!!" about intuitive notions and what would be an "understanding of God in your life" really just circumvents the facts of Scripture about divorce and leadership in the Church?

I do not know of any Scripture which shows Jesus making excuses for people's sin, or soft selling the consequences of their sin. He said, "Go, and sin no more," but that did not mean they were to "Go, and be a pastor in leadership." This person certainly should be in service within a church, but should not presume to be "called" into a leadership position. Scripture very clearly states that an elder should be "of good report."
 
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I don't see any verse specifically about pastors/elders/bishops being called. There is a verse about a man desiring to be a bishop, and a desire like thsi can be God-given.

There are plenty of verses that indicate that apostles are called, especially in Paul's writings.

For elders/bishops, there are a list of requirements, including being the husband of one wife, rulings one's hosue well, nto being given to wine, not being greedy, etc.
 
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What is the word elder translated as? PRESBUTEROS, when translated to our English language becomes elder or presbyter. Presbyter can be a priest.

See where I am going with this?

'Priest' is derived from the Greek word 'presbuteros'.

The word fell out of favor in certain protestant circles because its meaning got contaminated. It was used to translate the hebrew word 'kohen' and took on sacerdotal connotations. The Christian elder is more akin to the Hebrew 'elder' not the Hebrew Aaronic 'priest.'
 
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I am sorry about the problems you have had in your life but we all have problems, just some worse than others. Those of us who with the Lord's help and hard work who are able to rise above them certainly have a good experiential base from which to draw upon in certain venues. It is laudable that you want to contribute to ministry and even better that you feel a calling from the Lord to do so. Yet you said a calling in your head. Is it also in your heart? I think that it is despite your not saying it that way. May I suggest a private discussion with your priest first? He should certainly provide you guidance and direction on possibilities for ministry work in the church and how to pursue them as well on guidance on other personal matters.

God bless.
 
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