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BNR32FAN

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Just my opinion I thought you did an excellent job of making your point and I actually learned a few things I didn’t know. You also demonstrated that you definitely have more patience than I do which is something I need to work on. God bless.
 
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Yes, I am done also. I understand what you are saying but you do not want to make any attempt to understand what I am saying. You want to continue to go into a tail spin over my original statement about how we really do not understand the deeper meaning of the Bible until we have been a Christian for 40 years. This is why people are really not qualified to be elders until they have been saved for 40 years.

The problem is not in mainline denominations so much as the independent churches that have pastors with a two year associate degree. They promote a lot of the false teaching and false doctrine that people tend to buy into. God watches every word that comes out of our mouth and we have to be very careful what words we speak. I have seen to many people die and they are no longer preaching and teaching their beliefs. Yet here I am alive and still going strong after all of these years. I turn 72 this month.

I was a whipper snapper once myself. So I do try to go easy on the young people because I remember when I was their age and limited in my understanding and in what I knew. But I do read and study my Bible for myself and I do not rely on anyone to do that for me.

I suppose from your perspective old people are senile and you can not rely on what they say, think or speak. Good luck with the next president election where both candidates are very advanced in age and even beyond were most people retire.
 
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Just my opinion I thought you did an excellent job of making your point
Sometimes people are so intent on making an elementary point and they do not listen to what other people are saying.
 
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I get that you've gone through learning all of this stuff from them
Exactly, you 100% miss the point that the Bible tells us we are to be taught by the Holy Spirit of God and not man. "No longer will each one teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest."

Hebrews 8:11

Jeremiah 31:34​

 
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The Institute for Creation Research uses the expression “came from” instead of “descended from” to express the same process—but what was that process?

About 10.8 million years ago, the cat family began to split off into 8 Lineages consisting of 2 subfamilies, 14 genera, and 41 species. (Kitchener et al. 2017. (A revised taxonomy of the Felidae). The final report of the Cat Classification Task Force of the IUCN / SSC Cat Specialist Group.) The relationship of these groups to each other and the relative time of their splitting off has been learned and very well documented by comparing DNA sequences of all 41 species of cats. The actual time of the splitting off is learned from fossil records which young earth creationist believe to be radically misinterpreted.

Leopards (Panthera pardus) and ocelots (Leopardus pardalis) are phenotypically similar to each other, but genotypically dissimilar to each other. This is called convergent evolution and is due to the two genetically very different species having adapted to similar environments. Leopards belong to the Panthera Lineage that includes the leopards and six other species, but ocelots belong to the Leopardus lineage that includes the ocelots and seven other species. Both of these lineages descended (evolved) from the same Felid ancestor rather than one of them from the other. Therefore, it would have been absolutely necessary for one pair of cats (cats are ‘unclean animals—Leviticus 11)) from both lineages to have been aboard the ark. Moreover, as has been proven from DNA sequences, all seven of the species in the Panthera Lineage descended (evolved) independently from each other, and therefore, it would have been absolutely necessary for a pair of cats from all seven of the species in the Panthera Lineage to have been aboard the ark. Furthermore, the same would have been true of the other seven lineages and all of their species—for a total of not just 2, but 82 cats!

All 41 species of cats are carnivores, and none of them hibernate. All 40 species of cats spray their very caustic urine all over everything that they wish to claim as their own. A male lion in captivity requires 8 pounds of food per day—that is 2,920 pounds of food that a male lion on board the ark would have needed to eat during its stay on board the ark—and its mate would have required 2,190 pounds of food. The total food requirement for the 82 cats would have been approximately 90,000 pounds of meat—90,000 pounds of meat that would have to have been fed to the cats by Noah and his family. And we are still talking about just the cats! And we have not yet gotten to their excrement!

We have today several hundred thousands of genetically discreet populations of animals that would necessarily have been aboard the ark 4,373 years ago, and during that time, thousands of genetically discreet populations of animals, including about 600 kinds of dinosaurs (How Could All the Animals Get On Board Noah's Ark?) have become extinct, but would necessarily have been aboard the ark. DNA sequences do not lie, but the big three Young Earth Creationism organizations make a habit of it!
 
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Yup that be the case.

John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me—
 
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Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me
I was seeking God for a long time. I needed more than what man had to offer. The Bible says "seek and you shall find". We do not really find God, He comes to us. Then God introduced me to Jesus and Jesus showed me the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit lead me back to Jesus and Jesus showed me the way back to God. I was seeking God and I got the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. A lot more then I bargained for.
 
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