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Poke said:It appears that you're asking Atheist's how God created. How is your account of Creation different from an Atheist's?
Humans invented the discipline of science. Reason is the fruit of hundreds of millions of years of evolution of the brain. So, why do you say God did it?
How is it that God continues to create?
Anthropomorphization has it beat by letter count.shernren said:Every once in a while you will hear the word "phenomenological" pop up here in our discussions at OT. It is probably the longest regularly used word here (clocking in at a massive 16 letters and 7 syllables; "phenomenologicality", the cognate noun, has 19 letters and 9 syllables!), and I'd jump in joy if we had a far shorter substitute for it.
Love the ambiguity in how to parse that sentence!shernren said:(Speak of the devil, Mercury!)
What's your take on Psalm 74:12-17? Verse 15 seems to describes how Leviathan provides food for the creatures. God splits its body to form springs and brooks, which allow the carcass to be fertile and grow plants for food. Not a divine body, of course, but it still seems to echo the imagery of other myths.'God created the great creatures of the sea ... '(verse 21) These are not, as in the myths of the pagans, divine bodies from which the earth was created, but simply God's creatures.
There's obviously other mentions of Leviathan, but beyond that, I couldn't say. This account does draw on the imagery from other biblical creation accounts -- verses 13 and 16-17 mirror some of Genesis 1 -- so it is not entirely disconnected. There seems to have been quite a degree of artistic license in how bits of various creation stories were combined, and I think that goes to show that the authors were more concerned with the meaning of the imagery than its literal historicity.shernren said:I don't know; is this backed by any similar-sounding creation stories in the Bible?
I think it's a de-deification of myth or something like that. It does surprise me that the Bible sometimes describes actual events (such as creation or the exodus) in mythical terms, especially when those accounts borrow imagery from other cultures. However, it appears that God is willing to use any means necessary to convey his nature and his works to the Hebrews and the rest of the world. He even allows himself to be described in language borrowed from polytheistic times. Of course, the difference is that none of the other gods, like Leviathan or Rahab (the monster, not the woman), are uncreated or true competition for God. They are put in their place, but yet still allowed to be part of Scripture's vocabulary.Then again, there is no element of struggle recounted on the part of Leviathan, nor is it a divine body as you noted. So while I don't like its apparent lack of fit with the pattern of "demythologization", I don't see that it would be in conflict with the general veneer of how God is described as a creator in the Bible. It does add depth to the question.
Your parsing and interpretation of verse 15 is unique, to say the least. There is nothing in that verse to indicate it is still talking about Leviathan.-Mercury- said:What's your take on Psalm 74:12-17? Verse 15 seems to describes how Leviathan provides food for the creatures. God splits its body to form springs and brooks, which allow the carcass to be fertile and grow plants for food. Not a divine body, of course, but it still seems to echo the imagery of other myths.
See point 2 of this blog posting for more detail.
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