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Adam was made from the dust of the ground.....

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Will you stop repeating the same old nonsense?
I'll stop repeating the truth if you stop repeating nonsense.
Go try your luck at the atheist forums. Christians know better.
 
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I'll stop repeating the truth if you stop repeating nonsense.
Go try your luck at the atheist forums. Christians know better.

Which Christians? Not J I Packer, not Bruce Waltke, not B B Warfield, not Tremper Longman, not James Boice......
 
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Which Christians?
Any of them who believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, as Jesus taught. You can't simultaneously believe that God formed Adam from the dust of the earth and eve from Adam's rib, and that the world is billions of years and man is an evolved species. Ultimately, you can't believe in the authority of the Scriptures and the theories of man. Those who claim both are deceiving themselves. If you claim evolution is true then you are rejecting something so foundational it is referenced throughout the Bible. You are also buying into a theory that is contrary to the observed forces in nature. You're deceiving yourself. Evolution has been demonstrated not to happen. Ignore the experiments that conflict with your chosen belief; reject the Scriptures and become a religion unto yourself if you desire. It doesn't make it truth.
 
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Christians know better.

Christians with an education in science do....

Deborah Haarsma
serves as the President of BioLogos, a position she has held since January 2013. Previously, she served as professor and chair in the Department of Physics and Astronomy at Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Michigan.


As Senior Scholar of BioLogos, Dr. Jeff Schloss holds the T. B. Walker Chair of Natural and Behavioral Sciences at Westmont College in Santa Barbara, California, and directs Westmont’s Center for Faith, Ethics, and the Life Sciences. Schloss, whose Ph.D. in ecology and evolutionary biology is from Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, often speaks to public, church-related, and secular academic audiences on the intersection of evolutionary science and theology.


Ted Davis is Professor of the History of Science at Messiah College, where he teaches courses on historical and contemporary aspects of Christianity and science and directs the Central Pennsylvania Forum for Religion and Science.
Ted writes for the BioLogos Forum, leading an on-line conversation on the history of Science and the Bible in the United States.


Darrel Falk is Senior Advisor for Dialogue at BioLogos. He is the author of Coming to Peace with Science: Bridging the Worlds Between Faith and Biology and speaks frequently on the relationship between science and faith at universities and seminaries. Darrel’s early research focused on Drosophila molecular and developmental genetics with funding from the National Institutes of Health and the National Science Foundation. In 1988 he transitioned into Christian higher education in the biology department at Point Loma Nazarene University in San Diego, where he is now Emeritus Professor of Biology. He is a member of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the Genetics Society of America, and the American Scientific Affiliation.
 
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Any of them who believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, as Jesus taught.

You mean a bit like J I Packer, Bruce Waltke, B B Warfield, Tremper Longman, James Boice......

Are you telling them that they don't believe in the inspiration of the Bible? At least three of them have written books defending it.
 
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Not my threats, just Promises from God so. How seriously you take that is up to you. And of course evolution goes against the creation of the Bible...what an odd claim you make.

Please, don't be disingenuous. You were the one that made the threat. You don't seem to realize that the Bible is merely another "holy book" written by men.

So there ya' go, you're already stepping all over what you just claimed wasn't true. It goes against the Bible....period

Wrong again, it goes against your interpretation of the Bible. And since we know that life evolved it seems that you are the one saying that the Bible is incorrect. People are here to help you to learn.


And after all that, still no proof. That's what I thought.

You can't even use the proper terminology and you get mad when people tell you that you have to learn the basics first? That is rather hypocritical. "Proof" as others have pointed out is a term for mathematics, not science. Science is evidence based just as courts of law are. There is more than enough evidence to prove that "life evolved beyond a reasonable doubt". And much of that science is accepted in courts of law. For example DNA testing tells us that we evolved, DNA testing also can be used to identify who the father of someone was. That is the exact same science that tells us that life evolved. If you want to learn people here will gladly help you. Otherwise there is no real difference between you and a person denying the fact that airplanes can fly.
 
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Of course, with "climate change" the "experts" got caught cooking the books and manipulating data, and all of their models have failed.
I guarantee you will be able to support this assertion.

It may be the case there have been some scientists who have cooked data. But, again, I absolutely guarantee that you will be able to support this claim in the relevant way - that is, that there is systemic misrepresentation.
 
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That is just your interpretation of the Bible. By your standards the Seventy Week Prophecy of Daniel is wrong because a lot more time than 70 weeks passed before anyone could squeeze and event into it. It is only your interpretation of the Bible that disagrees with reality.
 
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(some)Christians with an education in science do....
Learning about how the world functions does not require a rejection of it's origin from the word of God to be embraced by the theories of man. Of course, many DO end up rejecting the story of creation in favor of their scientifically untenable theory of molecules to man. To them I would forward the same questions I offer to all T.E.'s. How is man simultaneously created by God and yet evolved over billions of years? How did sin and death come into the world through Adam's sin if millions of years of birth and death preceded him? If there is no original sin and no death sentence on humanity, then why did Christ have to be sacrificed? There doesn't seem to be a clear line where you can decide what to accept and what you can reject because the events of Genesis are interwoven throughout the Scriptures. Jesus, in fact, quotes Genesis 1 when discussing marriage.

Sorry, but I don't see letters of accomplishment and swoon. Having a PhD in evolution studies just means you have a degree in propaganda of something that never happened. You can write about the accuracy of the Scriptures while rejecting much of the Scriptures if you can live with the duplicity. My point is simple and my conclusion irrefutable; you cannot simultaneously accept and deny that the Bible is the true inspired word of God.
 
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Many would answer you that Genesis is merely a collection of morality tales. Why do you think that it has to be true? You do realize that your position is saying that "God lied", don't you? I have heard fundamentalists complain that God would have had to lie for evolution to be true when they have it backwards. Since by your beliefs God made the world then he would have made the evidence too and the evidence, that according to your beliefs God "wrote", would have to be false. You have the dilemma that by your interpretation God either lied in the Bible or lied in the Earth.


Christians that understand science get around this by realizing that the Bible was written by men. God would not have expected people in the past to understand evolution and it is not key to the faith so why burden them with something that they could not understand?
 
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It's been tested and falsified. It's been shown not to happen. The mechanism for advancing a species does not exist in nature.

Falsified by whom? If you cannot provide scientific literature to substantiate your claim, then you are lying. Isn't lying a sin?

The fossil record is entirely manipulated to show transition where none existed.

LOL. Manipulated how? You sure do make up a lot of nonsense to hold onto a literal translation of Genesis. Even if there was absolutely no fossil record of any kind, the evidence for evolution would still be overwhelming. You share 98% of your DNA with chimps. This is an irrefutable fact.

What biology tells us is that there are limits of speciation beyond which sterility always occurs

Provide a source for your claims. You're spouting nonsense.

When the species is manipulated and cross bred too far the result is sterility. All breeders know this.

So, you accept artificial selection when it comes to dog breeding? Congratulations, you accept evolution.

I'm not a biologist.

Obviously. Why do you pretend to know what you're talking about then?

Likely all canines are one kind and felines are one kind.

Are these the same "kind"?


It could be more specific than that; wolves and coyotes being different for example.

Are they the same "kind?" Do you agree they are different from each other but still related and you can build a nested hierarchy to demonstrate how closely related they are? Congratulations, you accept evolution.

Except that benevolent mutations have never been shown to advance a species.

Another unsubstantiated and false claim. Provide a source for your nonsense.

There is more evidence for devolution than evolution.

There is no such thing as "devolution" just evolution. Evolution doesn't have a goal in mind. Do you agree that changes within a population occur? If you do, then you accept evolution.

I'm in agreement that evolution doesn't take place at all.

Sounds more like struggling with cognitive dissonance to me.

Sorry. Evolution does not happen. Not even among bacteria.

Using creationist sources will not support your argument. They require their employees to abandon the scientific method. They even state specifically on their site that if any evidence contradicts their beliefs, the evidence must be wrong. This is intellectual dishonest. Provide peer reviewed scientific literature to substantiate your claims, not professional liars.
 
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Please, don't be disingenuous. You were the one that made the threat.

I don't have to, if I wanted to make a threat, I'd do it, but have no reason to. God will do what he said he'd do...that simple.

Wrong again, it goes against your interpretation of the Bible.

No, read it again, it goes against what you just stated.


So here we are again with a bunch of words, yet no proof...imagine that.
 
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So here we are again with a bunch of words, yet no proof...imagine that.

You've been told on several occasions that science does not deal in proofs. Continuing to use the word after shown to be wrong is intellectually dishonest.

Lets start with this: What evidence would be satisfactory to you to demonstrate that evolution is a fact?
 
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The moves here seem to be getting more desperate.
 
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You've been told on several occasions that science does not deal in proofs. Continuing to use the word after shown to be wrong is intellectually dishonest.

And you have been told it does. Intellectually dishonest?... duly noted, and added to the list.

Lets start with this: What evidence would be satisfactory to you to demonstrate that evolution is a fact?

Convincing evidence. You'll have to decide what that is, I'm not the expert in such matters. Just give it your best shot. And yes, I know, there will be something wrong with my asking for convincing evidence too...it's always something...stop stalling please, it's a waste of my time and yours..
 
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The dust in question may have been of a different composition than your personal analysis.
"Dust of the ground" may be referring to dry soil.

Chemical and mineralogical analysis of individual mineral dust particles
The analysis shows that the nonclay minerals in the samples are composed of
29% calcite, 29% quartz, 26% dolomite, 8% feldspar, and 5% gypsum.
Clay minerals were 85% illite and 13% kaolinite.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2000JD900430/pdf
 
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The dust in your house is mostly dead skin cells.
The chemical make up of earth is pretty much the same all the world over.

Pretty much varies in composition the world over.

Soil is a mixture of minerals, organic matter, gases, liquids,
and countless organisms that together support life on Earth.

 
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It remains to be seen who are truly Christians and who are not...and before you get carried away, yes, that includes me. We'll all be judged for our fruits. So, naming anyone as Christian to support your argument, means little or nothing until we are certain who's who.
 
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