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"History" is not even a viable word in Genesis 1:1."History", in his view, does not mean the recording of events, but the events themselves.
Hopefully I've simplified this by using just Genesis 1:1.AV first claimed, based on the presence or (assumed) absence of navels that:-
Well the earth, mountains weathered and eroded and old trees and woods etc, sand, rocks with added moss and pebbles that didn't have to spend ages being eroded before they got there, probably look a lot prettier and more mysterious than everything being brand shiny new, ie. spiky, not very tall and barren.A good point. AVET has never been able to explain why it was necessary, or even useful, to "embed" age into the earth when it was first made, just to make it "mature" for Adam to live on. Nor has he explained what it means to "embed" age into something.
The pre-incarnate Christ was there. What if He had a navel?Hopefully I've simplified this by using just Genesis 1:1.
There were no navels in Genesis 1:1.
Did you know that a navel is a scar?The pre-incarnate Christ was there. What if He had a navel?
Did you know that a navel is a scar?
Split Rock, I hope you don't mind.
I'm going to quote your post, with my answers in red inserted.
This should make answering it easier.
The words in red are mine, not yours.
Well the earth, mountains weathered and eroded and old trees and woods etc, sand, rocks with added moss and pebbles that didn't have to spend ages being eroded before they got there, probably look a lot prettier and more mysterious than everything being brand shiny new, ie. spiky, not very tall and barren.
"History" is not even a viable word in Genesis 1:1.
There is no history --- of any kind, shape, or definition.
Well the earth, mountains weathered and eroded and old trees and woods etc, sand, rocks with added moss and pebbles that didn't have to spend ages being eroded before they got there, probably look a lot prettier and more mysterious than everything being brand shiny new, ie. spiky, not very tall and barren.
Mike Elphick said:You see, without 'history', you are blind to the processes that might have been taking place whilst the object has been aging.
Okay --- Mike --- let's simplify this even further.
Let's just use Genesis 1:1 --- and we'll skip the whole rest of the chapter.
genesis1:1 said:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Now --- let's take a look at what we have:
TERRA AQUA
This is how the earth looks after Genesis 1:1, and before Genesis 1:2.
Genesis 1:9
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
AV1611VET said:This ball of sea water is 4.57 billion years old, and yet, 1 second before Genesis 1:1, this ball of water did not exist.
AV1611VET said:The amount of mass/energy in the entire universe at this point consists of the amount of mass/energy in this ball of water.
...but in those days, didn't they believe the earth was flat?
Who? I don't see any flat-earthers in Genesis 1:1.
And you're wrong about it being Terra Aqua (a ball of water) - in Genesis 1 it's described as a water-covered solid earth:-
Not in Genesis 1:1, it isn't.
Is this why we were supposed to "skip the whole rest of the chapter"?
No, you're supposed to skip the whole rest of the chapter so you can focus on the point I'm making.
Genesis implies that Adam and Eve were created as mature people. That had to be, because growing up requires parenting, so they appeared older than they really were, but why was it necessary to add several billion years to the apparent age of the earth?
Who are Adam and Eve?
"History" is not even a viable word in Genesis 1:1.
There is no history --- of any kind, shape, or definition.
Hopefully I've simplified this by using just Genesis 1:1.
There were no navels in Genesis 1:1.
Mike, I'm going to answer this post with respect to how I asked my question --- not how you're adding to it.
Again, my answers are in red --- I hope you don't mind the format.
Mike Elphick said:...but in those days, didn't they believe the earth was flat?
Who? I don't see any flat-earthers in Genesis 1:1.
And you're wrong about it being Terra Aqua (a ball of water) - in Genesis 1 it's described as a water-covered solid earth:-
Not in Genesis 1:1, it isn't.
Is this why we were supposed to "skip the whole rest of the chapter"?
No, you're supposed to skip the whole rest of the chapter so you can focus on the point I'm making.
Genesis implies that Adam and Eve were created as mature people. That had to be, because growing up requires parenting, so they appeared older than they really were, but why was it necessary to add several billion years to the apparent age of the earth?
Who are Adam and Eve?
Roger Penrose
THE ROAD TO REALITY
A Complete Guide to the Laws
of the Universe
AV1611VET said:you're supposed to skip the whole rest of the chapter so you can focus on the point I'm making
Not in Genesis 1.
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Not in Genesis 1.
Using the Bible to calculate time, one concludes that the earth has gone around the sun roughly 6100 times. This is much too short a timespan for evolution to have occurred.
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