Adam AND an Old Earth

JGiddings said:

I'm still not convinced that the Creation account in Genesis is literal.

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Don't worry, your not alone

Accepting that the universe is around 13.7 billion years old, the earth being 4.5 billion years, does not go against the Christian Faith.

JGiddings said:

Not Arguing the Trinity.
Actually I'm not arguing anything

I'm still not convinced that the Creation account in Genesis is literal. Oh well I'll agree to disagree if you will Brother.

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Well I agree we disagree. I am not arguing either Just stating what I know.

I have a question why does the earth have to be old? why does evolution have to be the way it was. WHy can we not take creation as literal? why not? is it pride? do we not want to seem foolish?

I mean we are not talking about a person But God, who all things are possible, He does not need to take so long. the creation story even tell of creation of heaven it is called the firmament,.

Gen KJV
6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

AmericanChristian91 said:

Don't worry, your not alone

Accepting that the universe is around 13.7 billion years old, the earth being 4.5 billion years, does not go against the Christian Faith.

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Really you can debate 6 days was 6 thousand years but you can not debate it was 6 billion that is not supported by Scripture.

Bluelion said:

Really you can debate 6 days was 6 thousand years but you can not debate it was 6 billion that is not supported by Scripture.

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Telling us the actual age of the universe and earth is, is not the goal of scripture. Your right, your not going to find 6 billion years in the Bible. Then again the Bible's goal is not to give us accurate science.

Bluelion said:

Well I agree we disagree. I am not arguing either Just stating what I know.

I have a question why does the earth have to be old? why does evolution have to be the way it was. WHy can we not take creation as literal? why not? is it pride? do we not want to seem foolish?

I mean we are not talking about a person But God, who all things are possible, He does not need to take so long. the creation story even tell of creation of heaven it is called the firmament,.

Gen KJV
6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

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This is another example of why we shouldn't be using the King James Version in the 21st. Century. Nobody today uses the word 'firmament' so it has to be "translated" into sky or more accurately the atmosphere. If God called the region between the seas and the clouds "Heaven" (as we understand the word today) then why don't we see Him, Jesus, the angels, the throne, etc. since they are in heaven? Clearly something else is meant.

Most modern translations translate Genesis 1:6-8 as "God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters and let it separate water from water.” So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. It was so. God called the expanse “sky.” There was evening, and there was morning, a second day." or something very similar, which makes it far more understandable.

AmericanChristian91 said:

Telling us the actual age of the universe and earth is, is not the goal of scripture. Your right, your not going to find 6 billion years in the Bible. Then again the Bible's goal is not to give us accurate science.

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are you suggesting the Bible has errors? Truth is The bible is very accurate even call the earth a sphere when people thought it was flat.

You think man can predict the age of the earth better than what we are told? Really prove it what age has man correctly predicted there is no way of knowing. That fact you can not test mans dating because the earth is a very unstable environment. There are simply to many variables to say we know this for sure, you must go on faith and then it is faith in mankind not God. I'll stick to God.

Bluelion said:

are you suggesting the Bible has errors? Truth is The bible is very accurate even call the earth a sphere when people thought it was flat.

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I'm just curious about something, where does it say in the Bible that the earth is a sphere?

You guys assume solar years I guess, but a careful read of the first verses of Genesis will show us that earth was not created after the sun it was created before the sun.

The sun appears on the 4th day of creation, after the vegetation, water and land.

pescador said:

This is another example of why we shouldn't be using the King James Version in the 21st. Century. Nobody today uses the word 'firmament' so it has to be "translated" into sky or more accurately the atmosphere. If God called the region between the seas and the clouds "Heaven" (as we understand the word today) then why don't we see Him, Jesus, the angels, the throne, etc. since they are in heaven? Clearly something else is meant.

Most modern translations translate Genesis 1:6-8 as "God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters and let it separate water from water.” So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. It was so. God called the expanse “sky.” There was evening, and there was morning, a second day." or something very similar, which makes it far more understandable.

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so where is the creation of heaven?

Well the most literal translation is ASB

here it is.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

Just because you don't understand don't knock the best translations out there.

Why would God have to create sky? there was a ball of water and space with nothing in it, empty.

and the sky open up and Jesus went up into the sky, are you forgetting that. You fail to take into account different 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.


Why would God need to create sky there was a ball of water and space, empty space.

You fail to take into account other dimensions. Heaven is up in another realm which is why you can not see it. and why you can not see angels or a persons spirit.

The only reason anyone believes in long ages is because of what secular science says, not because of what the bible says. The bible as it is written strongly proclaims a recent creation; almost no one reading the scripture on its own would ever come to conclusion that long ages had transpired. The problem is that some Christians try to jam billions of years into it by monkeying with a few verses. We are supposed to believe what we read, not read what we believe. Don't let secular ideas interpret scripture for you; a little leaven leavens the whole lump.

AmericanChristian91 said:

I'm just curious about something, where does it say in the Bible that the earth is a sphere?

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correction circle Isa 40:22 in a 2d world it can be flat in a 3d world a circle is a sphere.