i sent my athiest friend an email listing his faults and he replyed with these questions - help me answer them! it might be the begining of him finding salvation...
THE PERFECTION-vs.-CREATION ARGUMENT
1.) If God exists, then he is perfect..
2.) If God exists, then he is the creator of the
universe.
3.) A perfect being can have no needs or wants.
4.) If any being created the universe, then he must
have had some need or want.
5.) Therefore, it is impossible for a perfect being to
be the creator of the universe (from 3 and 4).
6.) Hence, it is impossible for God to exist (from 1,
2, and 5).
PERFECTION/CREATION INCOHERENCE ARGUMENT
1.) God, by definition, is a perfect being.
2.) God, by definition, deliberately created the
universe.
3.) So, if God were to exist, then he would be a
perfect being who deliberately created something.
4.) To be perfect, one cannot have any needs or wants.
5.) To deliberately create something, one must have at
least one need or want.
6.) Thus, it is impossible for a perfect being to
deliberately create anything.
7.) Therefore, God cannot exist.
GOD's omnipresence (ever -present)
ARGUMENT FROM THE SELF
1.) If God exists, he is omnipresent (occupying all
space).
2.) Since God occupies all space, past, present, and
future, there is nothing that is NOT God.
3.) God therefore, cannot have a sense of the
independent self.
4.) Since God has no sense of the self or non-self, he
cannot have a consciousness.
5.) In conclusion, God cannot have a mind and would
resemble nothing more than the non-conscious Universe.
GOD is omniscience (all knowing)
1 John 3 3:20
in F21 whatever our heart condemns us; for God is
greater than our heart and knows all things.
Counter Arguments
ON HELL
1.) God is all-knowing.
2.) Before I was born God knew I wouldnt believe in
him.
3.) I was born to go to Hell.
Comments: (Sure you may say I have a choice, but I
think I`ve proven already that I really don`t. I`m
simply fulfilling the will of God by being an atheist
aren`t I? If I`m not, I shouldn`t exist: For God would
have known that before I was created that I wouldn`t
believe in him.)
ON THE GARDEN OF EDEN
1.) God is omniscient (all knowing)
2.) God knew that before he created man that they
would eat of the tree of knowledge.
3.) God placed the tree of knowledge in the Garden
anyway.
4.) God wanted sin to enter the world.
Comments: (If God didn`t want sin to enter the world,
why create Adam and Eve at all? He knew what would
happen. Why place the forbidden trees in the Garden in
the first place?)
Why I had no choice arguments
ON MAN'S FREEWILL
1.) God has an unchangeable plan for everything past,
present & future.
2.) Everything that occurs past, present and future
will be part of God's unchanging plan.
3.) Thoughts and actions occur and are part of God's
unchanging plan.
4.) Thoughts and actions cannot be anything other than
what God has planned.
5.) Free-will doesn't exist.
FREEWILL ARGUMENT FOR THE NONEXISTENCE OF GOD
1.) The Christian God is a personal being and is
omniscient.
2.) Personal beings have free will.(according to most
Christians)
3.) To have freewill, a personal being must be able to
make a choice.
4.) A being who knows everything can have no "state of
uncertainty". It knows its choices in advance.
5.) God has no potential to avoid its choices, and
therefore has no free will.
6.) Since a being that lacks free will is not a
personal being, a personal being who knows everything
cannot exist.
7.) Therefore, the Christian God does not exist.
INFALLIBLE KNOWLEDGE / FREEWILL ARGUMENT
1.) God knows infallibly what will occur in the
Universe before it occurs.
2.) God cant change the future because he knows
everything absolutely.
3.) God has no Free-will.
GOD is unchangeable
Numbers 23 :19
23:19
" God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of
man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He
not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it
good?
ON GOD'S IMMUTABILITY - Unchangingness
1.) If God exists, then he is immutable.
2.) If God exists, then he is the creator of the
universe.
3.) An immutable being cannot at one time have an
intention and then at a later time not have that
intention.
4.) For any being to create anything, prior to the
creation he must have had the intention to create it,
but at a later time, after the creation, no longer
have the intention to create it.
5.) Thus, it is impossible for an immutable being to
have created anything (from 3 and 4).
6.) Therefore, it is impossible for God to exist (from
1, 2, and 5)
All Powerfull
Ceds Arguement
Jeremiah 32:17 'Ah Lord GOD! Behold, You have made
the heavens and the earth by Your great power and by
Your outstretched arm! Nothing is too difficult for
You,
Summary
It cleary states that nothing is too difficult for God
Jaiyeson Argument
Question
1) Can god create a boulder so heavy that even God
himself could never lift it?
2) If nothing is to difficult for god then the answer
would be yes
3) There now exist a boulder to difficult for God to
lift
4) Jeremiah 32:17 is a logical error. God is not all
powerfull
However lets say you answer the question with a no.
1) Can god create a boulder so heavy that even God
himself could never lift it?
2) No, because God cannot create something he could
never lift. He would always be able to lift it.
3) There is something to difficult for God. He can
never create something he could never lift. It is
beyond his scope
4) Jeremiah 32:17 is a logical error. God is not all
powerfull
Counter argument to Jaiyeson with Jaiyeson
counter-counter arguments
1)God would never put itself into that scenatio thus
the scenario would never happen.
1-b) The statement presented in Jeremiah 32:17 allows
the argument to exist.
1-c) If God refused to do it he would acknowledge the
scenarios existence.
1-d) If God said the scenario does not exist. Then
once again God acknowledges the existence of the scenario