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MJ Only According to Scripture, What is in the Blood?

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Shalom shalom, that is to say, perfect peace to you all,

Thank you all for your considered responses. I will answer you as a courtesy, but I will not entertain any debate; for you all either missed or misunderstood the thread label, "MJ ONLY".

My response to you all is this: You will never even understand the question until you have an intimate knowledge the Curse of Death spoken to Adam and Eve (Chavah) and to the Serpent in the Garden (Genesis 2) AND of the Eternal Covenant of Substitutionary Sacrifice, both illustrated and explained by the Father in the account of Cain and Able (Genesis 4).

May this be a blessing to you...

To all the MJs out there, is this too hard? This is a soft pitch and a teaching moment. Someone should have hit this one out of the park by now.
 
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Leviticus 17:10-14
‘And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.’
 
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I recently came to this understanding: YHWH's Table (Part 8A)

Am I in the right park?
Wow HARK! Great stuff but no exactly what I was looking for. I'll bookmark that thread for a complete read!

Just to add to the mystery...The life of every living thing is in the blood, and that is why the LORD has commanded that all blood be poured out on the altar to take away the people's sins.
Hi Vis!
You are VERY warm!

Still circling the bullseye, and very close.

So let me give you guys a little nudge in the right direction. As Visionary quoted, "...it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement."

The curse is death. The reason blood is needed is that life is in the blood. This is what makes it a substitutionary offering, transferring the penalty of death from the penitent to the offering. So what is missing? What is in the blood besides life?
 
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I guess I'll keep going with the hints. How about a death penalty?

 
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Ok, next hint: Describe what was required of anyone bringing some types of offerings before the Altar of Sacrifice. Go through the requirements and the steps...

This should lead you right to it!
 
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Btw, there is a big payoff when you get it. It unlocks a particularly difficult portion of scripture that most people with a Christian background might miss because of the 'usual' reaction the events.
 
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@visionary

Well done Vis, you did everything but state it outright. I don't want to get too technical here, so here is the answer in general terms. And while there are clear prophetic implications here, I am only speaking of the process.

When a person brings an ascending offering for a transgression requiring a blood sacrifice, he approaches the Altar of Sacrifice and confesses the transgression to the sacrificial offering. The veins of the neck are opened and the blood is caught in a bowl; then to be used to anoint the horns of the altar and carried into the sanctuary to be sprinkled before the veil where it will remain until Yom Kippur. Put another way, we confess our sins before the Lamb "...who takes away the sins of the world."

The sin of the offence is in the blood. It remains in the sanctuary until Yom Kippur when all the sins of Israel were passed to the 'scape goat' by the Cohen Gadol (High Priest) and it was carried away into the wilderness.

In light of this fact, how would you read the account of Luke where Y'shua is praying in the garden and 'sweats blood'?
Did you notice that it was after He accepted the will of the Father over His own, that His body sweats blood? Was that the moment that He 'became sin" for us?
 
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You don't get it yet. But this is going somewhere. "Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation." Perhaps we should let it stew for a time. Gut Yontiff!
 
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Take this a step further.... what is it about the blood that cries out?
Genesis 4:10
And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
Hi Vis,

This is a very interesting question, especially as it has to do with covenant blessings and curses. Cain possessed the birthright and was in line for the blessing. Those fell to Seth. And examples of those have land (and by association, the water) prominently displayed in scripture.

Genesis 4 is a worthy teaching in and of itself, if for no other reason than to examine the first account of a living sacrifice in scripture. The presence of sin or righteousness found in the blood is always a factor in how they are received by Adonai.

As for the blood of Abel crying out from the ground, I have a number of thoughts: The first is the grounds' (adamah's) relationship to Adam (he was formed from the ground, as were all animals except the 'winged' and the 'nephesh' [another story entirely]) and his relationship to it within the garden and without. It is most clearly outlined in the curse spoken by Adonai Elohim concerning the change in that relationship as they were forced to leave the garden and into the mouth of death (moot). Again, and in both cases, it has to do with communication (or lack thereof) with the ground. However, it is worthy of note that Adam is cut off from that relationship but Adonai is not! Sin is the reason.

The ground and the waters responds to sin (the abrogation of covenant responsibilities) or it's absence (representing the actual presence of Adonai or an example of His righteousness), example of this reaction are found in Luke 19:40, Psa 96:11, Psa 98:7-9, Psa 114:1-8; Isa 55:12; Hab 2:11; Mat 3:9, Mat 27:51-54; to name but a few.

Finally, let us not forget that the ground (and the waters), in one way or another, is a covenant partner in all covenants made with man; with Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Y'ahua and finally, the nations. They are therein, through a covenant relationship with Adonai, all provided with a path back to the garden in righteousness.
 
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