do you see why you make me think of an annoying 4 yr old jumping up and down trying to get attention?
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I know! --- I know! ------ Can I answer this one? --- Please?
A thousand years ago people lived much shorter lives, had to worry much more about disease, and largely lived in a feudal society with nobility and peasantry (who were little better than slaves...and some were slaves) and precious little inbetween.
I don't see how promoting ignorance is going to help us improve things further.
ha ha? Too busy laughing to read the links about flooding I guess.
I do agree that you are not a geologist, and that is why you think I cannot answer the question.
If there had been a flood such as in the account of Noah, it would have left huge amounts of evidence. Usually, your creationists try to prove there is, claiming that say, the grand canyon was made of soft rock so it was easily carved out in a few days.
As fo the confusion... yes, a flood does leave a lot of sign. Not a matter of "should". It does. Still confused?
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me ---do you see why you make me think of an annoying 4 yr old jumping up and down trying to get attention?
Yup --- this is what I tell people when they ask about those who have never heard about Jesus Christ, and wonder if they go to Hell when they die.
I believe God gives these people a special ability to discern enough about Him via nature that they are "without excuse" when they stand before Him.
So, if there were a huge flood, what do you expect to see today?
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me ---
I suppose such thinking on your part justifies your judgement of people who disagree with your interpretation of scripture. In any case, I wonder why then does nature tell us that some of the fundamental dogmas that form the basis of your religion/personal relationship are Wrong?Yup --- this is what I tell people when they ask about those who have never heard about Jesus Christ, and wonder if they go to Hell when they die.
I believe God gives these people a special ability to discern enough about Him via nature that they are "without excuse" when they stand before Him.
Oh no.... If he grows up, then he will no longer be "child-like" and will wind up burning in Hellfire for all eternity, just like you and me.Dont want to hurt you. It would be nice tho if you'd grow up a little.
So, if there were a huge flood, what do you expect to see today?
He wants to know what evidence we would expect to see, if there had been a global flood in the past. The answer is this: a world-wide flood marker in the geological column. This would consist of heavy erosion layers with massive sedimentary layers directly above. These sedimentary layers with be filled with the bones of the dead, almost all fully articulated and showing little if any predation. These would be world-wide, and all datable to the same time period. In other words, a "K-T layer" for the Flood.Well, i do recall your saying you could answer questions about geology, and that you were a scientist. So why are you asking me? There are alll kinds of textbooks, links etc you could refer to. I sent you a couple of them.
In general of course, water does a couple of things. You get erosion, and you get deposition. Where there have been massive floods you can find evidence of the mechanism for building up the water (like in the grand canyon, where a lava flow blocked the river at one time).
Anyhow, it is you who seems to think there was an event for which there is no evidence. I said there is no evidence; there isnt. Now you are asking me what kind of evidence I dont see.
I would expect to see SOMETHING!! There is absolutely nothing to see.
The above three are all wrong.
That is how a criminal detective work. To major questions raised by reading Genesis, that is what the nature of the reasoning is.
As far as the "evidences" of Global Flood I can see, it would be a long story and I don't think you have the patience to consider it. If you like, the "data" of flood I am talking to Hespera is a small piece of it. You may start from there.
So, if there were a huge flood, what do you expect to see today?
I believe the correct answer would be 60 years. 60 more years to love loved ones. 60 more years to enjoy the company of friends. 60 more years to discover new things to learn.What is the difference between people who lived 40 years and people who lived 100 years?
None.
This one takes us back to the theme of OP.
As I am enjoying the achievement of science, I don't think science is really doing any good to human being. We are no better off than people lived 1000 years ago from any point of view. If I were allowed to chose, I prefer the life 1000 years ago. I think science is leading us to destruction.
I think most creationists would be happier living back in 1009 A.D. Back then, the only explanation for most natural phenomenon was "Goddidit," or "Satan did it." Your pig died suddenly? It was a witch. Let's find an old woman and burn her alive. A plague ravaging the town? Punishment from God. Let's flay ourselves and inhale pleasant odors. Or maybe it was the Jews. Lets burn some of them alive. Your wife becomes sick? Must be a demon in her belly. Let's bleed her for a while, or find a priest to remove the demon by exercism.
Yes.... most creationists would be happier back then.
Because you interpret it wrong.In any case, I wonder why then does nature tell us that some of the fundamental dogmas that form the basis of your religion/personal relationship are Wrong?
I believe the correct answer would be 60 years. 60 more years to love loved ones. 60 more years to enjoy the company of friends. 60 more years to discover new things to learn.
Also, it neglects the way in which those people died. Often it was quite horribly as a result of one of a variety of diseases. Today, when death is inevitable, we have a number of ways to ease peoples' suffering. And many of the more horrible ways in which people died in the past are, well, a thing of the past.
You mind clarifying that?
Sorry that I don't like to go back, to quote, to paste, and to explain. So, if you are serious, give me one, and we go from there.
Hold up... let's be clear here... that is NOT how criminal detectives work. The "possibility" of something being true is not evidence of it being true. You might be thinking of probable cause... but that is based on other facts which lead a detective to believe that something PROBABLY happened.
That IS how a detective work in his/her mind. Of course, hard evidence is needed to close the case. But the probability is the guidance which leads to the hard evidence. You do not solve the case by having nothing in your mind. For example, you have nothing in your mind to positively consider the global flood. I do.
Well, i do recall your saying you could answer questions about geology, and that you were a scientist. So why are you asking me? There are alll kinds of textbooks, links etc you could refer to. I sent you a couple of them.
In general of course, water does a couple of things. You get erosion, and you get deposition. Where there have been massive floods you can find evidence of the mechanism for building up the water (like in the grand canyon, where a lava flow blocked the river at one time).
Anyhow, it is you who seems to think there was an event for which there is no evidence. I said there is no evidence; there isnt. Now you are asking me what kind of evidence I dont see.
I would expect to see SOMETHING!! There is absolutely nothing to see.
He wants to know what evidence we would expect to see, if there had been a global flood in the past. The answer is this: a world-wide flood marker in the geological column. This would consist of heavy erosion layers with massive sedimentary layers directly above. These sedimentary layers with be filled with the bones of the dead, almost all fully articulated and showing little if any predation. These would be world-wide, and all datable to the same time period. In other words, a "K-T layer" for the Flood.
Christian geologists tried to find this marker back in the 1800s and failed. They concluded that there was no evidence of a global flood in the geological column. The evidence has not changed since then.
There is no such thing. A global flood will NOT create a world-wide flood marker.
No serious geologist would ever propose such a research.
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