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Yes. But it took me more than 10 years to go from baptism to having a weak faith. And it took another 20 years to let the faith grow strong. Of course, I can answer you by saying: the Bible tells me so. But to say that only take 1 second.
To have a strong faith is how I know.
Hey, try to save face all you like, if you can't win, maybe you are wise to stay down. No sweat.I thought about responding to you but you are too far gone.
Unable to defeat his opponent with a sound, logical argument, dad is forced to talk his opponent to death. If he uses enough falsehoods, cheap equivocations, and absurd metaphors, then his opponent may simply lack the stamina or patience to deal with them all. If this occurs, then dad has won and must therefore be correct.Hey, try to save face all you like, you are whumped, something foierce, and are wise to stay down. No sweat.
Resolve to grow a case. May the force be with you.Agreed!My new year's resolution is to stop bothering with people like Dad.
I know... I know..... but who really thinks they'll accomplish any of their resolutions?
Speak for yourself there, buddy.
It's very obvious to me that that picture is an accurate representation of the reasoning that claims that the Bible is God's Word, and is circular reasoning. So, why don't you spell out why this is not circular reasoning?
How about this:How about this:
The Bible is the word of god, because the bible tells us so. The bible must be believed because it is infallible. It is infallible because it is the word of god. The bible is the word of god, because the bible tells us so. The bible must be believed because it is infallible. It is infallible because it is the word of god. etc.
True or false. I can replace the word "bible" in the above paragraph with any book, and it would be just as "logical."
Statement 2 explains why we know the bible is reliable when the bible says it is the word of God. This is because the bible is infallible. Statement 3 explains why the bible is infallible.
Hey, if you think the logic is broken, then I agree with you! Why then do creationists is this argument all the time here?
Well I dont know that i want poor juv to blow a fuse but really, the guy does not have both oars in the water. I dunno what would happen to him if someone actually got thru to him that his construct of reality is as cracked as the liberty bell.
(did i leave out any metaphors i could have mixed?)
To use a sound arguement, against something, it must be sound to begin with. How sound is your personal argument? Or do you have one?? I can actually talk cosmology, geology, physics, evolution, genetics, etc. At least enough to grasp what their insane conclusions are based on. And I am prepared to take the bull by the horns, and have done so. What have you done? Whine? Congrats.. You remind me of some creationists back in the day when the godless same state past foundation believers seemed to have the upper hand. My sympathies for having a losing, and embarassing case!Unable to defeat his opponent with a sound, logical argument, dad is forced to talk his opponent to death. If he uses enough falsehoods, cheap equivocations, and absurd metaphors, then his opponent may simply lack the stamina or patience to deal with them all. If this occurs, then dad has won and must therefore be correct.
If you are so sure your faith is strong, then tell us... why are you here? Most creationists do not come to this particular forum to convert others. They come here to convince themselves that their faith is strong enough to stand up to atheist arguments and scientific arguments. So... why are you here?
Then what is your logical argument for why the Bible is infallible?
Hey, try to save face all you like, if you can't win, maybe you are wise to stay down. No sweat.
Then the heart of the argument has no logic? I agree. Their is no logic in assuming the scripture is the word of god.One can argue about faith with logic rules. But it does not take much to get to the very first premise: The Scripture is the word of God. For that, there is no logic to it.
Nah. its just your huge shopping list of nonsense, all your use of !!!!! and ??? all your bold font and use of long rows of adjectives. it about wears out a person just to look at the mess.
I dont have face to save when a wild haired person starts shouting gibberish, which is the way you come across. There is no winning with such a person, there is only standing clear.
If you would like to bring out just one item that you think would falsify some aspect of geology / paleontology etc, please go ahead. We can look at that and see if you are capable of being rational. If you are, then your beliefs dont stand a chance.. If you cant talk in a sensible manner, then go babble on a street corner but not to me. i dont have time to talk with fools even if I am off my feet for a while here.
So.. you want to challenge me.. what do you have?
Sorry you seem to be new to the debate here. There is no need to falsify geology. Only to determine where it ceases to have support for what it dreams about in the unknown past. For example, can you prove that the present creep rate of the continents was in effect at the time of Noah?If you would like to bring out just one item that you think would falsify some aspect of geology / paleontology etc, please go ahead.
Enough to blow you out of the water if you actually present a case, on the table here, and now. What more could I want? False bravado is of little worth. Show the lurkers your stuff here. Go ahead, make my day.
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