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Nuts ---Wow.... sorry AV, but Dad has officially taken your spot at the top of the "face-palm" totem pole.
Nuts ---
Classic circular reasoning! Take some thing we have observed i.e. no rabbit fossils found in a rock layer which with have termed Cambrian and then say common decent could be falsified if we found no rabbit fossils in the Cambrian layer. Wow we find no rabbit fossils in the Cambrian layer so common decent is true!
Great emprical work I say
Will you accept Jesus as your God and saviour?
Regards,
Paul
Yes, he did, many times, in the lovecreates link. The differences in the bible past are stark, and real.Did Dad ever give the bible verses where his stupid state change was mentioned?
I remember asking for them numerous times in other threads.
Considering there is an estimated 2 to 10 million species in the world, that is one very, VERY hyper evolution. To say nothing of an incredibly rapid dispersal to the far corners of the world.
The platypus, a fresh water mammal, for instance, would have to have made a bee-line waddle 6,500 miles across Eurasia to Australia---mountainous terrain and all---at .4 - 2.0 MPH, taking time sleep and every day eat at least 20% of its body weight (usually freshwater invertebrates like shrimp, worms, crayfish, small mussels and aquatic insects). Then slowly swim across 900 miles of shark infested open salt water, and all without a single meal.
Nah, you're going to have to invoke your magic god-wand for this one.
Right, why not stick to ignoring most everything, and limiting the future, and past and God to the boring fishbowl, and pretending we are real clever! How drool.Why don't people take good advice like this?
Um... you realize that he said things like a rabbit fossil in the pre-cambrian would DISPROVE our current theories on common decent? That's not circular-reasoning... that's logic.
Come on, big boy, let's see you put some science on the table, that leaves me in the dust here. What, all talk no action??? Lurkers, take note, he can't do it!!! These guys are a scream.Yeah, sorry, but I had to do it.
You clearly understand a variety of scientific principles, and simply choose to go by the bible instead.
Dad, on the other hand, clearly does not understand anything about science but still feebly tries to point out its "flaws".
Yes, he did, many times, in the lovecreates link. The differences in the bible past are stark, and real.
But this thread is about the absurd actual claims of science.
Let's recap here, and I have a few more to add. Anyone else??
1) The universe was literally small enough to fit on the head of a pin!!
2) All life started with one magically appearing little wonder, that was either in a rock crack, vent, pond, or whatever else they latest fable meisters want to say!
3) The moon came about because there were two moons, one vanished!! Now I think I may have oversimplified it, but that is the actual gist, if I recall!!! Maybe the dark stuff ate it!?
4) MOST, over 90% of the universe is mysterious dark energy, or matter. Peek aboo! Hide and go seek, but never find it games!
No. That is like saying that we should find a woolly mammoth before the garden of Eden. The planet earth outside the garden of life would have been pretty barren, in comparison to the cradle of created life. The life outside Eden, I would huess was different, and not meant to be an eternal part of the pic. They had business in the as yet unihabitable parts of the earth. Trying to assign a role of creator to the creeping things is so stupid, it really isn't funny.
You seem blissfully unaware that it didn't exist. It was only dense in your head. No where else.You're obviously aware that some think it was infinitely-small... yet you seem blissfully unaware that it was infinitely-dense. I would think you would be able to relate to that condition quite well.
Woulda coulda shoulda Fantasy only goes so far. ...if there was a same state past, and no God isms. ...then beggars would ride moonbeams..etcNothing "magic" about it. Current hypotheses (note: NOT theories) in the field of abiogenesis offer several different methods by which life could have arisen on this planet through entirely natural causes.
Please explain where you came up with this silly idea. To my knowledge, the currently-accepted origin of the moon is the Giant Impact hypothesis. Basically, that a Mars-sized body collided with the Earth over 4.5 Billion years ago (when the Earth was still just forming). Some core elements remained in the earth, while the debris gradually combined over the next century or so to form the moon.
Well, you need a magical planet smashing earth, sinking to the core, and disappearing. Quite an act. Magic would be too generous a term, that requires sleight of a REAL hand!!!!Again, nothing magical about it... no vanishing act required.
Meaning what? That if there was no dark matter you would have a mystery? Well, I SAY YOU MAY NOT HAVE ANY. sO??As for dark matter, it's not "hide and seek". It a hypothesis which explains, amongst other things, gravitational fields without an apparent body to account for the field. So, technically, it's not the dark matter that's the mystery... it's the observable effects without an obvious cause that is the mystery.
You seem to think that science actually cares about your little fairy-tale story for the origin of life.
You may think science can support your tooth fairy invisible dark unicorns, and specks, and granny bacterias. No. It actually can't. I mean that.
Right, and.... so..? Point??Regardless... small problem... if you truly believe there was a literal garden of eden, then you must also believe that adam and eve stepped out of it no more than 6,000 years ago (or so).
Ha! Newsflash, NO they have certainly not! The so called dates are religion. Same state past belief based extrapolations, and guesses, and imagination. If you doubt it, then show us here and now the actual basis of the dating.Unfortunately, we've already found evidence of human cultures dating FAR further back than 6,000 years. Stone tools have been dated to upwards of 38,000 years old... while cave paintings and burial sites have been dated at over 10,000 years old.
Lurkers, ' Behold, how the mighty are fallen'. ..And rejoice.
You seem blissfully unaware that it didn't exist. It was only dense in your head. No where else.
Woulda coulda shoulda Fantasy only goes so far. ...if there was a same state past, and no God isms. ...then beggars would ride moonbeams..etc
[FONT=ARIAL, OPTIMA, HELVETICA]he idea in a nutshell:[/FONT]
At the time Earth formed 4.5 billion years ago, other smaller planetary bodies were also growing. One of these hit earth late in Earth's growth process, blowing out rocky debris. A fraction of that debris went into orbit around the Earth and aggregated into the moon.
[FONT=ARIAL, OPTIMA, HELVETICA]What were some earlier ideas?[/FONT]
One early theory was that the moon is a sister world that formed in orbit around Earth as the Earth formed. This theory failed because it could not explain why the moon lacks iron.
A second early idea was that the moon formed somewhere else in the solar system where there was little iron, and then was captured into orbit around Earth. This failed when lunar rocks showed the same isotope composition as the Earth.
A third early idea was that early Earth spun so fast that it spun off the moon. This idea would produce a moon similar to Earth's mantle, but it failed when analysis of the total angular momentum and energy involved indicated that the present Earth-moon system could not form in this way.
http://www.psi.edu/projects/moon/moon.html
Theia is thought to have struck the Earth at an oblique angle, destroying Theia and ejecting most of Theia's mantle and a significant portion of the Earth's mantle into space, while Theia's core sank into Earth's core."the original mass of Theia ended up as an orbiting ring of debris, about half of which coalesced into the Moon between one and 100 years after the impact.
http://www.answers.com/topic/giant-impact-theory
The other half is MIA!!! Told ya so.
Well, you need a magical planet smashing earth, sinking to the core, and disappearing. Quite an act. Magic would be too generous a term, that requires sleight of a REAL hand!!!!
Meaning what? That if there was no dark matter you would have a mystery? Well, I SAY YOU MAY NOT HAVE ANY. sO??
You may think science can support your tooth fairy invisible dark unicorns, and specks, and granny bacterias. No. It actually can't. I mean that.
Ha! Newsflash, NO they have certainly not! The so called dates are religion. Same state past belief based extrapolations, and guesses, and imagination. If you doubt it, then show us here and now the actual basis of the dating.
Creation science is an oxymoron as there is nothing scientific about creationism whatsoever in fact there is zero evidence for creationism and without evidence that is testable and peer reviewed you have nothing more than a hypothesis.You never believe, so you do not understand what is faith. Christians, by definition, do not question their faith.
You need to tell faith from science. That is why there is such thing called creation science. It is entirely logical.
Yes, I see no problem with animals on the ark at all. I accept hyper evolution back then, so we don't really need too many animals on there. But, if I had to, I think one would have an easier job of it, stuffing millions of animals on an ocean ship, rather than trillions of stars and galaxies, and suns, and planets all into something so small, it would be invisible to the naked eye!! Guess, we can keep the creator speck as a definite item in the list.
I can't speak for DAD, but from my own personal experience, I came here not even understanding hyper-evolution --- but after seeing you guys make the point that what we see today couldn't possibly be real w/o hyper-evolution --- I'm [somewhat] inclined to go with it.If I may ask the question: why do you "accept" hyper evolution? Where did you get that notion? What kind of reasoning led you to that idea?
In other words you're open to anything that will help your religion make some sort of sense,I can't speak for DAD, but from my own personal experience, I came here not even understanding hyper-evolution --- but after seeing you guys make the point that what we see today couldn't possibly be real w/o hyper-evolution --- I'm [somewhat] inclined to go with it.
As I have pointed out before: God accelerated the growth of the plants that He put in the Garden of Eden, making them grow to full maturity in just one day (or less), and He could have easily done the same thing to the animals.
However, for the record, I'm still not sold on this hyper-evolution thing. I still say we can have today what we have w/o hyper-evolution --- but I can't prove it.
I am open to anything that will make my relationship to Jesus Christ make sense to you guys, and do it in a way that will not contradict the Scriptures; and so far, all I can find that makes any sense to you guys is: GOD DID IT.In other words you're open to anything that will help your religion make some sort of sense...
I am in the world, but no longer of the world....talk about living in a dream world...
---John 17:16 said:They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Flattery will get you nowhere ---AV you're a real sap.
I can't speak for DAD, but from my own personal experience, I came here not even understanding hyper-evolution --- but after seeing you guys make the point that what we see today couldn't possibly be real w/o hyper-evolution --- I'm [somewhat] inclined to go with it.
As I have pointed out before: God accelerated the growth of the plants that He put in the Garden of Eden, making them grow to full maturity in just one day (or less), and He could have easily done the same thing to the animals.
However, for the record, I'm still not sold on this hyper-evolution thing. I still say we can have today what we have w/o hyper-evolution --- but I can't prove it.
I am open to anything that will make my relationship to Jesus Christ make sense to you guys, and do it in a way that will not contradict the Scriptures; and so far, all I can find that makes any sense to you guys is: GOD DID IT.I am in the world, but no longer of the world.---Flattery will get you nowhere ---
Sure --- let's bring it down to a formula:Thank for for responding to my question, even if it wasn´t adressed to you. But I fear you didn´t answer it.
I´m not interested in your justification for accepting [somewhat] hyper-evolution, I would like to know how you arrived at that idea. Can you answer that question, please?
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