About the return of Jesus in the Bible, how will the prophecies come true?

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Funny how the Jews who were his worse enemies never denied and still do not deny that Jesus existed.
I mean, if he never existed then one would expect them to latch on to that immediately. Yet not a single peep!
Now that is truly impressive!

Funny how the Jews never commented about non-existent leprechauns either!
 
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Funny how the Jews never commented about non-existent leprechauns either!
Ah! But there is the kicker. Leprechauns never seriously offended Jewish hypersensitive religious sensibilities like the Christians did. So what you have there, my friend, is a false analogy.
 
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You have much to learn.

The imagery is just that, a way of explaining how a spiritual event would happen...if you could see it. But you didn't, nor did the world, and yet it all happened "soon" after it was told. Most people suffer from the same inability to imagine spiritual matters, as you do...so it has evaded you/them.

As for bettering the suffering of the world...that was never the plan. On the contrary, the world is not real in the way that you think, but just as it has been openly stated...it was a creation, formed of nothing...because it is nothing, except that which it serves to be: History, is His story. It is all just a media creation (Disney would be proud).

And the whole, no improvement via all the religious hoopla thing....that is by design, that each generation would have equal opportunity. It is not just Israel who was held in blindness "until the fullness of the gentiles"...but all.
 
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Ah! But there is the kicker. Leprechauns never seriously offended Jewish hypersensitive religious sensibilities like the Christians did. So what you have there, my friend, is a false analogy.

The Christians were obviously real. It has yet to be determined that the Christ was. That virtually no one commented about him makes it less likely.
 
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Why do you think it's taken him so long to come back?
 
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First of all, why would he leave in the first place? Why doesn't anyone ever ask this question?

I really don't buy the oversimplified answers like "If he didn't leave then Holy Spirit wouldn't come", Or "He left because the mission to spread the Gospel had to be fulfilled", or to "Prepare a place", again neither make a lot of sense.

These are non-answers. It's like asking your father "Why did you leave me and my mom as a child", and the answer is "Well, so you could tell your friends all about how great I am, and so that you would be overcome by inspiration".

It's really this simple:

1) Would the world be better with a resurrected Jesus who is the very personal proof of his own resurrection... a guy who is a living proof because he seemingly didn't die for 2000 years? I think that he wouldn't even have to perform any miracles. Just answer some questions for people who have questions... etc.

2) Would the world be better off with Jesus leaving without a trace, and all the disciples would have is a nice story full of holes?


Would the Christianity today be better off if Jesus never left? I think the answer is obvious. So why did he leave in the first place?
 
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Jesus left, because, "It is finished."

What is not understood about that statement, is that the world seems to go on unfinished - which is not true. In that moment all things were finished...except the unfolding of the telling of the story: History is His story. So, what we are now living in is the pages of that part of His story.
 
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Would the Christianity today be better off if Jesus never left?
While Jesus was here, even His own disciples were fighting among themselves, to see who was the greatest. And even while Satan was in Heaven itself, right in the presence of Jesus, still Satan could find ways to complain and falsely accuse people, instead of appreciating Jesus. So, having Jesus present, even doing such wonders like he did, would not necessarily make things better. Humans, because of their own conceited nature, could have Jesus right there with them, yet they judged Jesus to be not good enough for them > now, that is definition conceit, which we see now, also, how ones consider the One who is like Jesus to be not good enough for them!!

We all have been like this, somehow . . . either outrightly not considering Jesus to be good enough for us, or we have somehow neglected and even rebelled against the way His example calls us to love (Ephesians 4:31 - Ephesians 5:2); therefore, all of us need in us the correction which only God can provide > Hebrews 12:4-11.

@little stream So, Little Stream - - - part of when Jesus will come is related with when God will have accomplished all His correction and maturing of us the Bride Church of Jesus, so we get real in love, ourselves > 1 John 4:17.

So why did he leave in the first place?
Jesus came in order to die for us on the cross, and to present the gospel and reveal our Father's name. He came here in order to get the New Testament Started. But now, Devolved, we have Jesus on the right hand of the Father, in order to make "intercession for us" (Romans 8:34). Jesus is praying for us, according to His own faith, that we become transformed into His image so we are enjoyable to our Heavenly Father the way Jesus is so delighting, plus so we can benefit from how our Father loves us even as He loves Jesus > John 17:22-26.

So, Little Stream, how the prophecies will come true will mainly be how God gets us ready for our Groom, by making us real in love like Jesus is, so we are compatible with our Groom so we can spend eternity with Him!!!

So, now Jesus is our Head Transformer > Jesus resurrected is fully of God's own almighty love power flowing through and from Him to us by means of the Holy Spirit. Jesus is, then, not only a performer on this earth, but our chief transformer specialized in generating to us all that is of God in His love; and then we minister this grace even through ourselves to one another > Romans 5:5, 1 Peter 4:9-10, Ephesians 4:11-16.
 
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"Except"?

Then "it" isn't finished. So the original question is valid.

Why leave an 'unfinished job'?
 
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Whether Jesus comes back or not largely depends on whether Jesus was a real character to begin with, and not some composite myth created to drive the religious movement, which was very typical in these days.
That's just Zeitgeist nonsense.
 
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"Except"?

Then "it" isn't finished. So the original question is valid.

Why leave an 'unfinished job'?
You are missing the point of describing it as "a story." Because history, is His (Jesus') story..."It is finished." Granted, it is an abstract notion, but that is simply because it is a foreign concept to you. Anyway, what is not finished, is Him telling the story to us through the pages of our lives. However...just because we are last to hear the story, does not change the fact that it is finished...and yet it was finished before we were born.

You asked.
 
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