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They harvest organs while the person is 'alive'.Some day. There are always amazing medical advances.
One hour wasn't a hard and fast rule. IIRC, Fr. Ripperger (professor of dogmatic and moral theology at the FSSP seminary in the US) said a person should be "dead" for at least three hours before organs can be harvested.
Like I said, we don't really know how long the soul hangs around. What you did certainly can't hurt. I was just saying you can't baptize a miscarried child after they've been dead a week, since it's too late. Of course, it may turn out that unbaptized infants go to Heaven instead of Limbo, Limbo is logical but not dogmatic. You did what you could and that's what's important. I'm sure you will see your little one some day.
I posted the hymn for the feast of the Holy innocents on my facebook on that day. I love the image of the infant martyrs playing with their palms and crowns under the altar. Children are precious to God.
Re: fallopian tubes
Actually, we also covered this today in class - you cannot remove the tube unless the tube has already ruptured and is haemorrhaging. Removing the tube when everything is fine and dandy is considered a direct abortion.
If anyone wants the break down of double effect for these two scenarios, I can write them out later.
You don't get the very simple point. God can't be put in a box any more than He can be understood by you. He said to not murder. Just as simple.Or science if you chooses to do so
The Church's age-old opposition to all abortions does make sense to me, even though it is extremely difficult to live by in the situation we have described herein. What bothers me most is that some pro-lifers insist that the mother's life can never be saved by aborting the child. While I am no doctor, I imagine that there must be a few rare circumstances in which the baby is literally killing the mother.
Re: fallopian tubes
Actually, we also covered this today in class - you cannot remove the tube unless the tube has already ruptured and is haemorrhaging. Removing the tube when everything is fine and dandy is considered a direct abortion.
If anyone wants the break down of double effect for these two scenarios, I can write them out later.
They harvest organs while the person is 'alive'.
A subject i really cannot get into - because it bothers me - being my nephew was 'harvested'.
But, I'm still praying for some understanding on why the Church would demand it be such.
Oh my, I guess we do learn something new almost every day. I have not heard that before re: how vaccines are grown.
No killing the child is killing it delivering is delivering. That is pretty simple.
I posted the hymn for the feast of the Holy innocents on my facebook on that day. I love the image of the infant martyrs playing with their palms and crowns under the altar. Children are precious to God.
Salvete, flores Martyrum
Quos lucis ipso in limine
Christi insecutor sustulit
Ceu turbo nascentes rosas.
Vos prima Christi victima,
Grex immolatorum tener
Aram ante ipsam simplices
Palma et coronis luditis.
Gloria tibi, Domine,
Qui natus es de Virgine,
Cum Patre, et Sancto Spiritu,
In sepiterna saecula.
All hail! ye infant martyr flowers
Cut off in life's first dawning hours,
As rosebuds snapt in tempest strife
When Herod sought your Savior's life
You, tender flock of Christ, we sing
First victims slain for Christ your King,
Beneath the altar's heavenly ray
With martyr palms and crowns ye play.
All honor, praise and glory be,
O Jesus, Virgin-born, to Thee;
All glory, as is ever meet,
To Father, and to Paraclete.
Amen.
You cannot induce labor prior to the age of viability, that is an abortion.
What about the other children she would have had if you had let the mother live? Are they just out of luck?
I imagine that there must be a few rare circumstances in which the baby is literally killing the mother.
No killing the child is killing it delivering is delivering.
When the mother is in eminent danger of death, it is licit over that of an abortion becuase of the intent.
So, the baby plotted and schemed to kill the mother?
You see, it's all in how we view things. How we look at a baby in the womb.
This is the entire problem, we look at the baby as if it is some unjust aggressor that broke in our house and is trying to kill us. Like it is evil and is the enemy or culprit.
We simply, can not place the life of the unborn as less valuable just becuase it is inside the womb and lacks full physical development.
This "survival of the fittest" mentality is whack.
Who gets to play God and pick and choose life?
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