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So Paul lead bounty hunters, so to speak that hunted down Christians, arrested them and turned them over to authorities. He considered himself to not be worthy of his position as an apostle, thinking that he didn't deserve eternal life. Maybe that's what he meant?
 
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Barnes:

As of one born out of due time - Margin, Or, “an abortive.” Our translation, to most readers, probably, would not convey the real meaning of this place. The expression, “as of one born out of due time,” would seem to imply that Paul meant to say that there was some unfitness “as to the time” when he saw the Lord Jesus; or that it was “too late” to have as clear and satisfactory a view of him as those had who saw him before his ascension. But this is by no means the idea in the passage. The word used here (ἔκτρωμα ektrōma) properly means an abortion, one born prematurely. It is found no where else in the New Testament; and here it means, as the following verse shows, one that was “exceedingly unworthy;” that was not worth regard; that was unfit to be employed in the service of the Lord Jesus; that had the same relation to that which was worthy of the apostolic office which an abortion has to a living child. The word occurs (in the Septuagint) in Job_3:16; Ecc_6:3, as the translation of נפל nephel, an abortion, or untimely birth. The expression seems to be proverbial, and to denote anything that is vile, offensive, loathsome, unworthy; see Num_12:11. The word, I think, has no reference to the mode of “training” of the apostle, as if he had not had the same opportunity as the others had, and was therefore, compared with their advantages, like an untimely child compared with one that had come to maturity before its birth, as Bloomfield supposes; nor does it refer to his diminutive stature, as Wetstein supposes; but it means that he felt himself “vile,” guilty, unworthy, abominable as a persecutor, and as unworthy to be an apostle. The verse following shows that this is the sense in which the word is used.


1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
 
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Not to me. Rather, I see these words as indicating he came to apostleship late, strangely late, after the earthy ministry of Christ rather than during the earthly ministry of Christ
 
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Tis far better we see ourselves as we ought.
When GOD saved me, he was not saving me , due to he saw some good man.
I mean whew I was wicked and a pig layered in pounds of filthy sin.
TIS why I rejoice in THIS..............that my name is wrote above...to me
that is all that matters. no matter what I lose , all that matters is His grace . amen.
 
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He did not walk with the Lord at the beginning of CHRIST's MINISTRY

All the other apostles believed in the LORD and walked with HIM from the beginning of HIS MINISTRY from HIS death and crucifixion to HIS resurrection and ascension and were born of HIS SPIRIT

But Paul was as one born abnormally last, late, out(side) of due time
 
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