A Warning from 2 Timothy 4:3 - The Gospel is not a Cafeteria

BelieveItOarKnot · Jun 8, 2024

Diamond7 said:
So God does not give us the desires of our heart?

You think it is a lie that good begets good and evil begets evil?

It's never a one or the other deal in this present life

The delusional mind will read a scripture like this one:

Matthew 7:17
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

And every time the deceitful wicked mind will insist that they are only always and ever a good tree only always and ever bringing forth only good fruit

when that is actually never the case

Diamond72 · Jun 8, 2024

BelieveItOarKnot said:
It's never a one or the other deal in this present life

People think they are good and others are evil when it is most likely the other way around.

NewLifeInChristJesus · Jun 8, 2024

AlexB23 said:
Ultimately, our goal should be to remain faithful to Jesus and to follow His teachings, rather than being swayed by the allure of false narratives or the desire for comfort and convenience.

Here are 7 of the most common false teachings that we must avoid as Christians:

The prosperity gospel: The belief that God will bless us with wealth and health if we have faith, disregarding the suffering and struggles that believers may face in this life. This teaching is not supported by the Bible, which teaches that believers may experience trials and hardships (James 1:2-4, 1 Peter 4:12-13).

Salvation by works: The belief that good works or religious rituals can earn us salvation. The Bible teaches that salvation is a gift from God through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9, Galatians 2:16).

Denial of the Trinity: The belief that there is only one person in the Godhead, rather than the three distinct persons – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – who make up the one God. The Bible clearly teaches the doctrine of the Trinity (Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14).

Rejection of the deity of Christ: The belief that Jesus was not God in human form, but rather a prophet or a good teacher. The Bible affirms the deity of Christ (Daniel 7:13-14, John 1:1, John 3:16-18, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:8).

Denial of the resurrection: The belief that there is no bodily resurrection of the dead or that Jesus did not rise from the dead. The Bible teaches that believers will be raised to eternal life and that Jesus rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:12-23, Acts 1:3, Luke 24).

Doctrine of total individualism: The belief that emphasizes personal self-reliance, total self-sufficiency, and self-indulgence, disregarding the importance of community and the greater good. This teaching is not in line with the teachings of the Bible, which emphasizes the importance of loving our neighbors as ourselves (Mark 12:30-31, Galatians 5:13-14).

Anti-environmentalism: The belief that prioritizes human needs and desires above the care and preservation of the natural world. This teaching is not supported by the Bible, which teaches that humans are stewards of God's creation and are called to care for it (Genesis 2:15, Colossians 1:16-17, Isaiah 24:4-6, Jeremiah 2:7).

Since we live in the Spirit, our ultimate goal is to walk in lock-step with the Spirit. And the list omits the most dangerous false teaching that we must avoid: Stiff-arming the Holy Spirit: The belief that upon the completion of the Cannon, God no longer leads, guides, directs, teaches, corrects, and comforts us from the intimacy of our own hearts. The most common refrain from those who believe this is, "You can't trust the voices in your head", as if the Holy Spirit is "a voice in your head."

BelieveItOarKnot · Jun 8, 2024

Diamond7 said:
People think they are good and others are evil when it is most likely the other way around.

It's 100% both for everyone

In scripture recognition or differentiating between people and devils is mandatory.

Both walk in the same pair if shoes but are not the same entities

One we can love

The other, resist, reject and adversely judge

AlexB23 · Jun 8, 2024

B Griffin said:
Since we live in the Spirit, our ultimate goal is to walk in lock-step with the Spirit. And the list omits the most dangerous false teaching that we must avoid: Stiff-arming the Holy Spirit: The belief that upon the completion of the Cannon, God no longer leads, guides, directs, teaches, corrects, and comforts us from the intimacy of our own hearts. The most common refrain from those who believe this is, "You can't trust the voices in your head", as if the Holy Spirit is "a voice in your head."

Agreed. The list is not exhaustive.

Diamond72 · Jun 8, 2024

BelieveItOarKnot said:
One we can love

We are to love everyone, even our enemy. We do not know for sure who is and who is not going to make it to heaven and we have to love everyone there. Corrie Tan Boon had an issue that the meanest guard in the concentration camp got saved and became a christian. He said God forgive him but did she forgive him. Not as first but with God's help she did forgive him. She likes to say God takes our sin and throws them into the sea of forgetfulness and puts up a no fishing sign.

Hebrews 8:12 For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more

https://biblehub.com/hebrews/8-12.htm
Can God really forget? https://biblehub.com/hebrews/8-12.htm

BelieveItOarKnot · Jun 8, 2024

Diamond7 said:
We are to love everyone, even our enemy.

We are not advised to love the devil and his messengers

The parties currently walk in the same pair of shoes, Mark 4:15, 1 John 3:8

Diamond72 · Jun 8, 2024

BelieveItOarKnot said:
We are not advised to love the devil and his messengers

When I was in the army they were training me to pick up bodies and put them in a body bag. They said if you put three arms or three legs in a bag don't worry about it. No one cares. It's almost impossible to match the arms and legs up with the body. Then years later my son wanted a brother so we got a foreign exchange student from China. It turns out that his father drove the truck with the weapons of mass destruction from China to North Vietnam. This is what it means to love my enemy and I treated his son like my own son for the school year. You can try to mix satan in with that but I do not know where you think he is

I actually don't have any enemies. So I am not quite sure what the scripture is about. Everyone loves everyone in Heaven. We do not know for sure who is and who is not going to Heaven so we just love everyone.

BelieveItOarKnot · Jun 8, 2024

Diamond7 said:
I am not quite sure what the scripture is about.

Well, I guess that about sums it up

Diamond72 · Jun 8, 2024

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Well, I guess that about sums it up

We just put it under the Blood and the devil flees from the blood so that is not much of an issue.

BelieveItOarKnot · Jun 8, 2024

Diamond7 said:
We just put it under the Blood and the devil flees from the blood so that is not much of an issue.

Jesus didn't make anyone in our present forms sinless, in case you missed it

And sin is and remains of the devil, scripturally speaking

Devils on the other hand are never forgiven

Diamond72 · Jun 8, 2024

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Jesus didn't make anyone in our present forms sinless, in case you missed it

What sin are we not able to be delivered from?

1Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Hebrews 12 14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

BelieveItOarKnot · Jun 8, 2024

Diamond7 said:
What sin are we not able to be delivered from?

1Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Hebrews 12 14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Sins aren't counted against people to start with, 2 Cor 5:19

however-

Devils are missing from your equations in the matters

It seems like the overlap of people and devils is escaping your understanding, Mark 4:15, 1 John 3:8, Romans 7:17-21, 2 Cor 12:7, Romans 11:8, Gal 4:14, Acts 26:18, 2 Cor 4:4, Eph 2:2 -many others

Diamond72 · Jun 9, 2024

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Sins aren't counted against people to start with, 2 Cor 5:19

Maybe we should stick to the word the Bible uses. In this case the word is trespasses. The Bible uses the word iniquity when Jesus says: " I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:23 I wish we were talking about a few. But we are talking about MANY: "22Many will say to Me on that day". So what do you think this: "iniquity" is that Jesus is talking about?

According to AI: “Ye that work iniquity” refers to those who persistently engage in wrongdoing or violate God’s laws."

BelieveItOarKnot · Jun 9, 2024

2 Cor 5:
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

I'd suggest it's a pretty safe bet to say trespasses, iniquity, defilement and sins are all in the same bed

Sins are generally categorized in scripture as:

-Violation of laws in thought, word or deed
-Anything not of faith
-Of the devil

Obviously there's one party in the equation that doesn't like to be seen. That's the part you keep missing for some odd reason, perhaps related to the reality of Mark 4:15

Diamond72 · Jun 9, 2024

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Of the devil

Obviously there's one party in the equation that doesn't like to be seen.

Clearly flip Wilson tells us that the devil made him do it.

BelieveItOarKnot · Jun 9, 2024

Diamond7 said:
Clearly flip Wilson tells us that the devil made him do it.

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I appreciate your attempt at humor but that has never been mentioned by me

Let's dial this in yet again. Not that I'm expecting a different outcome from you:

The devil sins. The devil doesn't "make" anyone else do it, when the devil does it.

Now, do you really have a problem condemning the devil for sins/sinning? Really?

Why? would be in order

Diamond72 · Jun 9, 2024

BelieveItOarKnot said:
The devil doesn't "make" anyone else do it, when the devil does it.

We see the devil deceived Eve. Revelation 20 2 says the devil is the serpent. We read in Revelation 12 11 "They triumphed over him by the Blood of the Lamb" Notice the reaction we get on here when we talk about the Blood of Jesus. According to the song only through the Blood of Jesus are we able to over come. There is wonder working power in the Precious Blood of the Lamb of God.

What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
- Refrain:
  Oh! precious is the flow
  That makes me white as snow;
  No other fount I know,
  Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
For my pardon, this I see,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
For my cleansing this my plea,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Nothing can for sin atone,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
Naught of good that I have done,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
This is all my hope and peace,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
This is all my righteousness,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Now by this I’ll overcome—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
Now by this I’ll reach my home—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Glory! Glory! This I sing—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus,
All my praise for this I bring—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

BelieveItOarKnot · Jun 9, 2024

Diamond7 said:
We see the devil deceived Eve. Revelation 20 2 says the devil is the serpent. We read in Revelation 12 11 "They triumphed over him by the Blood of the Lamb" Notice the reaction we get on here when we talk about the Blood of Jesus. According to the song only through the Blood of Jesus are we able to over come. There is wonder working power in the Precious Blood of the Lamb of God.

What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain:
Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

For my pardon, this I see,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
For my cleansing this my plea,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Nothing can for sin atone,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
Naught of good that I have done,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

This is all my hope and peace,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
This is all my righteousness,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Now by this I’ll overcome—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
Now by this I’ll reach my home—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Glory! Glory! This I sing—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus,
All my praise for this I bring—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Well, you can lay all the good on yourself from the scriptures and ignore the facts of internal temptation by an entity that is not you, the tempter. And ignore all the bad intended for that bad actor. And in all of that you just have a one sided gospel that ignores half the scriptures or lays all the bad stuff in them on other people

Diamond72 · Jun 9, 2024

BelieveItOarKnot said:
And ignore all the bad intended for that bad actor.

Is that what you are doing? Ok thanks for sharing that with me, I think.

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