If you were specifying killed by a person why did you then refer to who God had wiped out? We are not God.
Isn't God a person? Not a person like us, sure, but a person with sentience, thought, and moral character nonetheless. As such, the point remains: there are circumstances under which a person may be killed by another, as evidenced by God sanctioning this very act time and again in the Old Testament.
Correct, unlike them, for they were already part of Adam and the disobedience and had already gone against God and His people.
So... a fetus in the womb is not "part of Adam" and infants are guilty of going against God and His people? Wow, those are some pretty amazing infants! Most don't even know how to stop drooling, but here you claim they've knowingly rebelled against God and His people. Astounding!
Sarcasm aside, I find your attempt to differentiate between an unborn child and an infant on a moral level rediculous, as if the infants deserved it and the unborn child did not.
So where do you stand, if you are defending pro-choice abortion then you must have thought it ok for God to have wiped out people.
Sure.
You seem unhappy that God wiped out people because you personally dont think they deserved it, but you dont mind defending abortion because you dont consider it viable life.
Not quite. I'm merely playing the devil's advocate in griping about God killing innocent people - something you think is inherently sinful. It's not. If it was, God would be pretty heavy on the sin load.
The question was whether you wished to use the argument
No, the question is whether or not you're willing to say abortion is okay in some circumstances. Is it? And if so, why? You seem to be okay with abortion in the case of rape. Great, but if this is true, then you can't continue with this nonsense blanket statement of claiming "abortion is murder" and that there is "no argument" for abortion.
And? Does that give people the right to kill? Not sure what your point is.
God sanctioned the act of people killing people. Thus people killing people can't always be wrong; else God is a sinner. If this is true, then your argument of "abortion is wrong because it's one person killing another" doesn't hold, since one person killing another isn't always wrong.
Thats what Jesus said, I merely repeated the truth.
Where? What verse? Where did Jesus ever say "Killing anyone is inherently sinful in all circumstances?"
No. They are fighting for my worldly freedom otherwise I might get killed
So it's okay for people to kill if it will save someone else's life, yes? They can kill in that situation and not be "murderers?" If so, then a woman can have an abortion if she has a medical condition in which her life is in peril by continuing the pregnancy. Another example of abortion not being murder.
No, by my definition God is God, it is people who should not murder as none are without sin enough to carry out punishment themselves.
You said "those who aborte the child are murderers." You seem to love blanket statements like this, without consideration to exceptions that ultimately make the statements untrue.
abortion is murder, anyone who has an abortion or performs it can repent and be forgiven in Christ, no different for anyone and any sin.
Abortion is murder, huh? Period and end of sentence, huh? Then if your wife gets raped and has an abortion, she is a murderer? If she gets pregnant and finds she has a medical condition that will claim her life if the pregnancy continues and decides to have an abortion, she is a murderer? I thought you indicated it was okay to kill to preserve someone else's life. Uh-oh... someone's statements are conflicting...
Yes of course, abortion is still killing the child, in what ever circumstances
So your wife is a murderer even in that circumstance. I see. Then we have nothing to discuss. Your blatant disregard for the well being and life of the prospective mother by insisting that abortion not be an option under any circumstance because it's always "murder" (and murder should be avoided at all times, yes?) is sickening. I wonder if you came home some time next week and found that your wife had been raped and impregnated if you would really continue threatening her with the wrath of God if she got an abortion, labeling her a "murderer" if she got rid of the fetus. I wonder if you would have the stomach to stand with the atrocious claims you've made here.
Your dazzling inability to distinguish between "killing" and "murder" prevents this discussion from moving forward. Additionally, your arbitrary choice of placing the well being of the fetus above the well being of the pregnant woman is unwarranted and without thought. You might as well have flipped a coin over who you were going to defend.
but she isnt the one who caused the problem, that would be the criminal who raped her.
Irrelevant - the woman has the power to abort or not abort and as such, she's responsible for that decision.