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So who IS working on it? Gimme some names.JohnR7 said:He does not have the time to work on it, I wish that he did.
Of course, as I have already stated many times. I however am not a theist, and the reason I am not is because no one can give me one good reason to consider that option.lucaspa said:You seem to be equating theism with creationism. You are aware, are you not, that at least half the evolutionary biologists in history -- starting with Darwin -- are theists? You are aware, are you not, that the majority of Christians are evolutionists?
Most of the errors you cite weren't the errors you thought they were. And it isn't arrogance. The last time someone accepted my challenge, two years ago, he dropped out of the debate after the first round, and explained to his friends on thier discussion board that he couldn't continue because I made too much sense. I know what you're saying about the emotional reason, the reason he lies to himself while admitting I'm right. But that particular person will never again call evolution a religion, nor will he make many of the other claims most creationists make any more, because I took him at least far enough to understand why evolutionists believe what they do. His arguments have dramatically changed since then, and now he corrects other creationists when they say things like "there's no transitional species".Arrogant much? If you continue to have the scientific errors I've seen you have, I doubt you could convince an evolutionist of the truth of evolution.
You're making negative assumptions again. Each time you've done that, you've been wrong. Its not about my ego at all. I've had enough of the zealots evoking the laymen's definition of theory while at the same time adhering to the scientist's definition of proof, so that evolution comes out being "just a theory that will never be proven". I'm also tired of the constant accusations that scientists are supposedly losing confidence in the evolutionary model. I am challenging that in the most appropriate manner, I think. I am demonstrating my confidence in that, while exposing the creationist's confidence in it too. I realize that willfull ignorance and misrepresentation are the tools of their trade, and I have a simple argument to disable that, so that (if they would actually answer questions like reasonable people) they would very quickly lose the blinding prejudice they've been fed, and at least understand the substance of the evolutionist position. My tactic is one that actually depends on my opponant's honesty once we begin. I am hoping to reach the innocent who may be an honest person, but who had been deceived by their system of indoctrination. Its the lurkers I'm really trying to reach. And I don't really debate the point either. I just show them the non-distorted concepts and reasons behind the scientific perspective while inviting them to explain certain aspects of either position however they think they can to allow thier stance some validity. Of course that can't happen, and they tend to see that immediately.Garbage. Truth isn't decided by debate. It only decides who the best debator is. Evolutionists found this out in the debates during the late 1970s and early 1980s with creationists. Duane Gish would regularly cream the evolutionists. Didn't make creationism true. Also, remember that all you are showing is the ignorance of a person about the subject. You seem to confuse that with the weakness of the field. It's about your ego, not the truth.
I.B.:So who IS working on it? Gimme some names.
Uhh... John, "is" is present tense. You gave me a list of dead people. Who IS working on the GAP theory?JohnR7 said:Thomas Chalmers
Episcopius
Rev. William Buckland
G.H. Pember
Scofield
Dake
Arthur C. Custance
That's it, I give up. No one can be this stupid. You refuse to accept my challenge because you know you will lose instantly. This tells me that whatever you are, you're just taunted us for fun. Either that, or you are a genuine raving loon.JohnR7 said:At least you would have some evidence to back up your theorys rather than having to rely on a bunch of outdated speculation.
John, I see that you've left the forum. You've got a lot of claims in a number of threads to back up. Please don't forget this one when you come back.Ishmael Borg said:Uhh... John, "is" is present tense. You gave me a list of dead people. Who IS working on the GAP theory?
I never refused your challenge. I just keep getting sidetracked by everyone else on these boards asking me questions. I have not decided if I am willing to have the debate on the formal debate board. I would be willing to have it here on this board, but of course there is no way to keep the people out of this thread from making their peanut gallery comments. Where on the formal board the comments are put into another thread.Aron-Ra said:You refuse to accept my challenge
Those are the sort of comments that make me think: Why bother with this guy, I have better things to do. Trying to belittle people is ok in a free for all, but it has no place in a formal debate.Either that, or you are a genuine raving loon.
Sorry, I can not resist this one. You claim not to be arrogant, then you follow it up with a arrogant comment.Aron-Ra said:it isn't arrogance. The last time someone accepted my challenge, two years ago, he dropped out of the debate after the first round, and explained to his friends on thier discussion board that he couldn't continue because I made too much sense.
I don't know. The only thing I have seen on it is the web site Luca's pointed out from the christian geology ministry. As far as I know my pastor is the only one right now that has added anything to it, but I do not talk to much about his teaching and what he says about the GAP theory.Ishmael Borg said:Uhh... John, "is" is present tense. You gave me a list of dead people. Who IS working on the GAP theory?
Yes, the point is that most all of evolutionary theory is falsified somewhere along the way. Whatever they happen to believe right now, will be falsified as soon as new observations come along. So you get a flavor of the week or a soup of the day, but it is soon gone and replaced with something else.Joe Atheist said:You used a new theory of horse evolution to falsify an old theory of horse evolution?
Is that what you meant by showing "evolutionists to be wrong"?
I think it is wise not to waste my time and the time of the people who are reading these posts.Aron-Ra said:you're the guy who thinks it is wise to ignore everyone's repeated questions. Well, you're wrong. Its not wise, its rude.
I'm rolling over the floor here.JohnR7 said:I don't know. The only thing I have seen on it is the web site Luca's pointed out from the christian geology ministry. As far as I know my pastor is the only one right now that has added anything to it, but I do not talk to much about his teaching and what he says about the GAP theory.
http://www.kjvbible.org/
Mmmmyeah...JohnR7 said:Yes, the point is that most all of evolutionary theory is falsified somewhere along the way. Whatever they happen to believe right now, will be falsified as soon as new observations come along. So you get a flavor of the week or a soup of the day, but it is soon gone and replaced with something else.
(edit: I didn't see John's later response, so I'm deleting this one. I'll respond to that one, if necessary.)JohnR7 said:Yeah, well, I do have a live you know, outside of this forum.
Sometimes I will forget to sign off of the forum and my name will show up there, even though I am not here.
Since you don't know who's researching this, and your pastor is the only one you know who has added anything to GAP theory since Dake (the most recently deceased guy on your list) died in 1987, I'd say that you should refrain from mentioning it all from now on. You've started whole threads on this non-topic.JohnR7 said:I don't know. The only thing I have seen on it is the web site Luca's pointed out from the christian geology ministry. As far as I know my pastor is the only one right now that has added anything to it, but I do not talk to much about his teaching and what he says about the GAP theory.
http://www.kjvbible.org/
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