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Someone said this in a post on a different subject.He also said that one difference in Catholic and Protestant Theology was that most Prostestants view people as inherently evil due to original sin, and that the Catholic view was that people are inherently good, as created by God. I didn't know about this difference.
Yep.Colabomb said:
Someone said this in a post on a different subject.
The Problem i saw is that no one objected to this, and in fact it appeared some approved of it.
Is this the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church?
See ? We can agree on something.Shelb5 said:Yep.
The fall did not destroy us to the point that we are born evil to the core, like Luther and Calvin taught.
We are born inherently good but fallen, meaning we suffer from the wounds of sin (the 7 deadly sins) which are the root cause of all our actual sins.
Luther taught we are no good and we can not become good that we must be covered up with Christ righteousness.
The Church since day one has always taught that we can become what Christ redeemed us to be, transformed and healed by his grace.
Of course this takes an act of our will and cooperating with those graces that are given to us. Calvin believed that was impossible because the fall rendering us evil meant that choosing any good was not within our power. That the nature was not just wounded with sin but completely evil and a evil nature can not choose anything good.
Well said.Shelb5 said:Yep.
The fall did not destroy us to the point that we are born evil to the core, like Luther and Calvin taught.
We are born inherently good but fallen, meaning we suffer from the wounds of sin (the 7 deadly sins) which are the root cause of all our actual sins.
Luther taught we are no good and we can not become good that we must be covered up with Christ righteousness.
The Church since day one has always taught that we can become what Christ redeemed us to be, transformed and healed by his grace.
Of course this takes an act of our will and cooperating with those graces that are given to us. Calvin believed that was impossible because the fall rendering us evil meant that choosing any good was not within our power. That the nature was not just wounded with sin but completely evil and a evil nature can not choose anything good.
Shelb5 said:Yep.
Luther taught we are no good and we can not become good that we must be covered up with Christ righteousness.
(Not all non-Roman Catholics are like that)BornCath said:This is the basis of the fundamentalist doctrines of 'imputed righteousness' and 'once saved always saved.' "Sin boldly but believe more, thus even if I have relationship with 100 prostitutes, it will not affect my salvation" was his teaching because anybody's sins are covered by Jesus' righteousness. Catholic theologians refer to Luther & those who believe in this teaching as the 'dunghill covered by snow'.
That is definitely NOT a teaching of any protestant church I have ever been in contact with, and that ranks in the dozens. Where did you get the idea that protestants believe they can sin with impunity???BornCath said:This is the basis of the fundamentalist doctrines of 'imputed righteousness' and 'once saved always saved.' "Sin boldly but believe more, thus even if I have relationship with 100 prostitutes, it will not affect my salvation" was his teaching because anybody's sins are covered by Jesus' righteousness. Catholic theologians refer to Luther & those who believe in this teaching as the 'dunghill covered by snow'.
That's inflammatory and unnecessary to the discussion. I'd like you to edit it if you would, please. Luther's mental status is considered crazy by catholics, but it makes perfectly rational sense to those who believe in salvation by faith, and since that is the case, it is just plain wrong for someone who does not accept the concept of salvation through faith alone to accuse him of being unstable. The same things could be said of Augustine, because he exhibited the same traits, but it is undoubtedly because both men were so passionate about God that they came off as being crazy.Mystery5 said:Luther had psychological problems, I've read. He was obsessed with his sins and had scrupulosity, feeling constantly compelled to go to confession. So, his new approach to salvation was more of a personal salve for his own torments, from what I've read.
To each his own, and no doubt that is the reason you chose the faith you did as opposed to the other choices.I think the Catholic approach makes more sense, that we are inherently good, but are affected by a tendency to make the choice to sin, and also by living in a fallen world surrounded by others in the same predicament.
If something similar had been posted about one of the catholic saints in the protestant forums, it would certainly be considered disrespectful and any or all catholics would ask for it to be edited and I'm merely asking that you show the same consideration for our feelings that you would want us to show for your feelings.Wolseley said:This is the Catholic forum, lambslove. From the Catholic theological standpoint, Luther's mental condition was aberrant, and it was also erroneous from a doctrinal standpoint. I see nothing in Mystery5's statement that was disrespectful or in need of editing; he was merely making an observation. Further, it is not your place to come into the Catholic forum and demand that any statements made either conform to Protestant theology or be edited out. Editing or the need to edit is the job of the Catholic moderators, and I suggest we leave it to them to handle.
Thank you.
Actually, Luther was nuts... That is historical.lambslove said:That's inflammatory and unnecessary to the discussion. I'd like you to edit it if you would, please. Luther's mental status is considered crazy by catholics, but it makes perfectly rational sense to those who believe in salvation by faith, and since that is the case, it is just plain wrong for someone who does not accept the concept of salvation through faith alone to accuse him of being unstable. The same things could be said of Augustine, because he exhibited the same traits, but it is undoubtedly because both men were so passionate about God that they came off as being crazy.
To each his own, and no doubt that is the reason you chose the faith you did as opposed to the other choices.
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