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A Question on the Covering

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Tentmaker

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Having read the suggested Thesis it is my opinion that none of the writers ever met or even heard of Jacques Derrida and Paul de Man. Thus, that which is proffered by them hardly merits serious consideration.


A starting point for refuting their allegations lies in the fact that as early as AD 38, James, Peter and Thomas in Antioch, Asia Minor, founded the Church of Antioch. That church taught a doctrine that had a lot in common with the prevalent Gnostic teachings. The other stream of Christianity, called Pistic Christianity, taught that salvation could only be achieved by fate, and not by any other means. They were especially against the Gnostic claim that salvation could be achieved by knowledge alone.


In AD 64, Pistic Christianity began growing very fast: about the time Nero began throwing Christians to the lions in the arena. It was then that Roman courts offered Christians the opprotunity to denounce their religion and go free. The Pistics refused and thousands of them died for it.


Now the main factors separating Gnostics from orthodox Christians ( orthodox by today's delineations.) was the Pistic propagation that direct experience of God was impossible... if being the foundational mysticism of their beliefs. Their views of God and creation and ended with the person of the man, Jesus, now called Christ. They viewed the One (the whole God), which they called the "True God", as having a feminine part that was the Spirit. In accord, they also held that Jesus came from the "True God" and the Spirit to form the Trinity.

Those teaching are in direct contradiction of the Pauline Doctrine as set forth in the Epistle to the Romans. However, they do harmonize to a degree with the views presented in the Corinthian epistles. Based on this and a mountain of other evidence, it can be safely assumed that Paul was not the author of those epistles.
 
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Tentmaker,

Thank you for referring me to Derrida and De Man. I am not familiar with them and will gladly review their opinions. I will also review the historical points you have raised.

Would you care to address the linguistic arguments raised in the thesis?
 
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Foundthelight said:
Tentmaker,
Foundthelight said:
Thank you for referring me to Derrida and De Man. I am not familiar with them and will gladly review their opinions. I will also review the historical points you have raised.

Would you care to address the linguistic arguments raised in the thesis?
Tentmaker,

In my ignorance I assumed that these gentlemen, Derrida and De Man, were historians or theologans, commenting on the validity of the claims of authorship. I see that in reality they are Postmodernist, Deconstructionalist philosophers. As such I must look upon their work with great skepticism.
 
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IMHO, pursuit of the linguistic arguments that fatten the thesis would at this point be non-productive. It would in no way prove the authorship of the epistle/s, and that for the present is my goal.
 
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Foundthelight,

Any valid scholarship demands a degree of deconstruction. Derrida, De Man, and other deconstructionists have merely provided us with highly refined tools to dig out the truth of a matter.

It is not my assertion that all the conclusions arrived at by the likes of Derria, etc., are correct...the contrary being the truth. I do, however, say that their methodology produces critical insights into history.

These insights shed a vastly different light on early Christianity and its origins. The deconstructionist method is made even more essential since the discovery of the Nag Hamadi library.
 
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Hello to everyone,

Regarding the hat issue, I to believe it was cultural thing. Back in those days the woman's hair was her glory. Men were attracted to woman because of the beauty and length of their hair. For a woman to walk into a church back in those day without a covering would be like a woman walking into a church today with a bikini, but then again I don't think it would shock anyone today.

Truth in love,
John
 
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This link has other links to Mennonite thoughts on the covering. Unfortunately, in my opinion, the discussions are purely legalistic, ignoring the early cultural situation.

http://www.anabaptists.org/doctrine.html

The covering appears to have been an important part of Anabaptist tradition from the first. The anabaptist.org site has a lot of history and doctrine. It seems to be a really good way to learn about their beliefs.
 
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