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The premise in most of those spin doctors with regards to EVIL is that God supposedly gave MAN 'free' reign and then MAN or DEVIL created EVIL.

The logical facts of the matter will always remain however that were neither MAN or DEVIL created then EVIL wouldn't have come about to begin with. Nothing could have come about apart from FIRST CAUSE.

The dilema that brings most who try to spin these matters this direction is one that they FEAR to face. That GOD IS EVIL and they STOP dead in their tracks RIGHT THERE because we all KNOW this is not TRUE.

Logic CAN take us PAST that barrier when we 'understand' that God IS without ANY DOUBT great enough to CREATE EVIL and USE EVIL and MAKE IT INTO Good. God really IS that GREAT. Many fail to consider this as a factor in their employment of LOGIC.

Gods Logic can OVER RIDE everything. He can and does by the admittance of scripture both create and USE evil, and did so continually throughout the text. The Old Testament is FILLED to the BRIM with Gods Employment of RETRIBUTIVE EVIL. Were EVIL only REACTIONARY on Gods part then God is only reacting in LIKEWISE manner, being FORCED to react to something that came about on its OWN.

God is not the PAWN OF EVIL, the 'reactionary' to THAT POWER, but the ORIGINATOR of same. There is no other explanation that is logically credible. The only place left for LOGIC to take anyone is that He Is Able to use and employ such things IF they suit His Purposes.

This does NOT make GOD the SAME AS any 'thing' HE created....

God CAN originate ANY THING and not be THAT THING that He originated.

The 'flaw' in reasonings that many a good theologian STUMBLES over on this matter is that their REASONINGS stop at the point where GOD ORIGINATES EVIL because they FALSELY view then that GOD HAS TO BE EVIL to CREATE EVIL...and this is NOT the logical case.

God can and does create any THING and does not by LOGIC have to be THAT THING.

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Your presentation merely revolves around ONE continual point....

BLAME ONLY MAN....for EVIL.

And on that basis is built the foundation of 'most' of orthodox christianity.

BLAME AND BLAME AND BLAME and ACCUSE AND ACCUSE AND ACCUSE and CONDEMN AND CONDEMN AND CONDEMN and then spread DEATH AND DEATH AND DEATH....


only and upon


man


for


EVIL.
 
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Forgive me...

God creates a blade of grass.

Is God a blade of grass?

God creates evil.

Is God evil?

This is a fairly simple exercise in logic.

forgive me for being logical...

Logic dictates that God is NOT the same as ANY thing in His creation. But every THING that IS, is HIS creation.
 
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The next fantasic thing that 'believers' really have a hard time with once they take the premise of Gods creation of EVIL...

is HOW can a PERFECT GOD allow (for examples) a child to be sexually predatorized? How? How can God ALLOW that to happen? Even LESS how can God CREATE such a thing?

That is a hard thing for me as a believer to face honestly. I cannot stand by and proclaim the HOLY HOLY HOLY God who sits there AND DOES nothing either. Yet that IS what happens.

The supposedly all and powerful God stands by and does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING even while a CHILD is being sexually predatorized WITHIN HIS OMNIPRESENCE.

How can that possibly BE? Whether God created that EVIL or not, the fact of the matter IS that God without ANY DOUBT whatsoever has the POWER OF INTERVENTION in that matter, yet HE DOES NOTHING about it whatsoever.

Believers relegate this to a LATER JUDGMENT...oh, God will burn that predator alive in fire LATER...but in the MEANtime He just sits and watches it??? Please...

Yet that is exactly what happens....God just SITS and WATCHES all that evil transpiring RIGHT in His Midst and at this time still DOES NOTHING about it whatsoever as to THE ERASURE of EVIL. And 'all' believers can only say...WELL...justice and judgment will come about LATER.

And again in this they merely EXCUSE God as an INNOCENT POWERLESS BYSTANDER to ALL of these events. The Great and Powerful OZ is merely STANDING BY watching all this EVIL go down right in the MIDST of OMNIPRESENCE.

He simply doesn't CARE (at this time.)

There is no logical explanation that can cure that IDLE WATCHER.

Logic can only again reason me past this and say that IF I believe in God, then I also HAVE to believe that

A.) Evil in some way does SERVE Gods Purposes

B.) That every act and action of EVIL can be completely ERADICTATED and every MEMORY of all of these events can be UTTERLY wiped out only by HIS GREATNESS.

There is just no other way for me to see these matters than to see GOD GREATER than the SUM of 'all things.' I can see no other way past this other than HIS GREATNESS over them, even if at the present time I cannot perceive this as a present reality.

Other believers can provide blame unto man and excuses for their God and condemnation unto man and excuses for God and tortures to their fellow man and excuses for God and for all of these things....

but ultimately I have to believe in His Prevailing in A PERFECT WAY...over all of these matters, whatever that may be or consist of, I cannot say or perceive IN FULL.

I am certainly NOT going to be providing God with any CONTRIVED EXCUSES for any of these matters.

Evil exists...and it does so withIN His OMNIpresence, meaning HE WANTS IT to be so.

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Prayers of healing for the abused. Prayers of protection from the evil one for all at all times.

I raised 5 children to adulthood. IF I would have known these facts I would NEVER have had them infant baptised. Know WHY?

This is what they DO NOT TELL YOU in CHURCH...the instant THE WORD is sown in them this is what happens....

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Matthew 13:19
When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Luke 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.


The INSTANT the Word was sown upon my children, they were SUBJECTED to the PREDATOR within their hearts.

Not quite as pretty a picture in the light of the scriptural facts is it?

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Logical or not... you would be following a false path.

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Logical or not... you would be following a false path.

Forgive me...

Making declarations are pointless until you can apply PROOF of your supposed declaration.

Freewillists, which most of orthodoxy are, simply declare mans supposed freedom and then proceed to pounce upon the man.

But none of them are ABLE for some strange reason to LOOK at the WILL that cannot make itself FREE of SIN and connect that DOT to the CREATOR of that supposed WILL. And this is but a single FLAW of failure to look at FIRST CAUSE. There are many other valid logical critiques to freewill. I look at most of those presentations [of freewill blame to mankind] as COP OUTS in behalf their God who seems to 'need' cop outs.
 
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