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If a perfectly good and all powerful God does not need evil to justify his goodness, then why does evil exist in the first place?
Evil was not meant to exist. ..
Many believers put forth that notion...that EVIL just appeared all by itself right out of nowhere...as if God didn't have A SINGLE CLUE about it and could not have prevented it and didn't have ANY involvement with EVIL whatsoever. It just APPEARED of it's OWN VOLITION into Gods creation.
Evil just CREATED itself.
yeah...right...sure
Evil just appeared out of nowhere and God says, "WOW, how did that happen...?"
Then says God, "well, I'll just see how THAT pans out." "It sure ain't MY problem."
And... you recognize that as incorrect. There was and is "no suprise" on God's part. His creation encompasses even the "attempts by his created" to undo creation.
God is bigger than all that.
Forgive me...
And... you recognize that as incorrect. There was and is "no suprise" on God's part. His creation encompasses even the "attempts by his created" to undo creation.
Everything was good until iniquity was found in Lucifer. Totally unknown and foreign to the world that God created, God's creations had no idea what evil was, so God had to allow it to reach maturity so that everyone could understand why it must be irradicated. God is just.If God is perfectly good and created evil, is evil good? If evil is good, then does evil even exist?
Actually what you present is that EVIL was NOT part of Gods Plan whatsoever. IT 'created' itself and has NO LINK to the FIRST CAUSE/ Creator....whatsoever.
which view I find rather ridiculous. First Cause is a primary understanding of believers.
God did not exempt Himself from anything in creation as FIRST CAUSE one way or another. As FIRST CAUSE He IS one way or another linked to EVERYTHING. We can view any matter and backsource it to FIRST CAUSE in some way.
Everything was good until iniquity was found in Lucifer. Totally unknown and foreign to the world that God created, God's creations had no idea what evil was, so God had to allow it to reach maturity so that everyone could understand why it must be irradicated. God is just.
Incorrect. The plan was fully realized before ever being put into play.
Everything that will happen, is fully known to God.
God is not restricted by time... It is his creation.
We are dealing with where iniquity started.. and it was found in Lucifer. It was unknown in the Kingdom of Heaven until it was found in Lucifer. Yes, Lucifer is God's creation and so are we, but Lucifer without reason conceived and gave birth to iniquity. We are now awash in it.Lucifer is God's creation too.
Forgive me...
We are dealing with where iniquity started.. and it was found in Lucifer. It was unknown in the Kingdom of Heaven until it was found in Lucifer. Yes, Lucifer is God's creation and so are we, but Lucifer without reason conceived and gave birth to iniquity. We are now awash in it.
Let's talk again after you have had a chance to read St. Athanasius on post #24.
Just read the first chapter.
Forgive me...
What about Luke 21:22By all means demonstrate via 'logic' how you can remove any THING from the term 'ALL' things.
Such attempts are simply foolish and irrational.
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In our former book we dealt fully enough with a few of the chief points about the heathen worship of idols, and how those false fears originally arose.
We also, by God's grace, briey indicated that the Word of the Father is Himself divine, that all things that are owe their being to His will and power, and that it is through Him that the Father gives order to creation, by Him that all things are moved, and through Him that they receive their being. Now, Macarius, true lover of Christ, we must take a step further in the faith of our holy religion, and consider also the Word's becoming Man and His divine Appearing in our midst.
That mystery the Jews traduce, the Greeks deride, but we adore; and your own love and devotion to the Word also will be the greater, because in His Manhood He seems so little worth. For it is a fact that the more unbelievers pour scorn on Him, so much the more does He make His Godhead evident. The things which they, as men, rule out as impossible, He plainly shows to be possible; that which they deride as unfitting, His goodness makes most fit; and things which these wiseacres laugh at as "human" He by His inherent might declares divine. Thusby what seems His utter poverty and weakness on the cross He overturns the pomp and parade of idols, and quietly and hiddenly wins over the mockers and
unbelievers to recognize Him as God.
Now in dealing with these matters it is necessary first to recall what has
already been said. You must understand why it is that the Word of the Father, so great and so high, has been made manifest in bodily form. He has not assumed a body as proper to His own nature, far from it, for as the Word He is without body. He has been manifested in a human body for this reason only, out of the love and goodness of His Father, for the salvation of us men.
We will begin, then, with the creation of the world and with God its Maker, for the first fact that you must grasp is this:
the renewal of creation has been wrought by the Self-same Word Who made it in the beginning. There' is thus no inconsistency between creation and salvation for the One Father has employed the same Agent for both works, effecting the salvation of the world through the same Word Who made it in the beginning.
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