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“If ye receive circumcision, Christ will profit you nothing.” It should be understood that much more is involved than the mere rite of circumcision. The proof of this is found in the fact that this Epistle, which has so much to say about circumcision, has been preserved by the Lord for us, and contains the Gospel message for all time; yet circumcision as a rite is not a burning, living question now. Nobody is seeking to have Christians submit to the rite of circumcision in the flesh.

The question under consideration is how to obtain righteousness—salvation from sin—and the inheritance of righteousness. The fact is that it can be obtained only by faith—by receiving Christ into the heart, and allowing Him to live His life in us. Abraham had this righteousness of God by faith of Jesus Christ, and God gave Him circumcision as a sign of that fact. It had a peculiar significance to Abraham, serving continually to remind him of his failure, when he tried, by means of the flesh, to fulfil God’s promise. The record of it serves the same purpose for us. It signifies that “the flesh profiteth nothing,” and is not, therefore, to be depended on. The mere fact of being circumcised did not make Christ of no avail, for Paul was himself circumcised, and as a matter of expediency he had Timothy circumcised. Acts 16:1-3. But Paul did not count his circumcision nor any other external thing of any value (Phil.3:4-7), and when it was proposed to circumcise Titus, as a thing necessary to salvation, he would not allow it (Gal.2:3-5).

That which was to be only the sign of an already-existing fact, was taken by subsequent generations as the means of establishing the fact. Circumcision, therefore, stands in this Epistle as the representative of all kinds of work done by men with a view of obtaining righteousness. Outward circumcision, in the flesh, which was what Judaizing teachers were seeking to impose on believers from among the Gentiles as the great means of salvation (see Acts 15:1), stands for the works of the flesh, as opposed to the Spirit.

Now the truth is stated that if a person does anything with the expectation of being saved by it, that is, of getting salvation by his own work, Christ profits him nothing. If Christ be not accepted as a complete Redeemer, He is not accepted at all. That is to say, if Christ be not accepted for what He is, He is rejected. He can not be other than what He is. Christ is not divided; and He does not share with any other person or thing the honor of being Saviour. Therefore it is easy to see that if any one were circumcised with a view to receiving salvation thereby, that would show absence of faith in Christ as the all-sufficient and only Saviour of mankind.

God gave circumcision as a sign of faith in Christ; the Jews perverted it into a substitute for faith. So when a Jew boasted in his circumcision, he was boasting of his own righteousness. This is shown by verse 4: “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” This is no disparagement of the law, but of man’s ability to keep the law. It is the glory of the law that it is so holy, and its requirements are so great, that no man is able to attain to the perfection of it. Only in Christ is the righteousness of the law ours; and true circumcision is to worship God in Spirit, to rejoice in Christ Jesus, and to put no confidence in the flesh. Phil.3:3.

The Glad Tidings - 205 - E. J. Waggoner
 

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Waggoner makes a very good point here, thanks for posting. One might be tempted think that this entire topic is irrelevant, but believe it or not, I've met adventists that argue for circumcision and the necessity of keeping the traditional Jewish feasts. I believe that this is a pitfall that is going to become more and more common among us in the future.
 
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What about Adventists who argue that Sabbath keeping is necessary for Salvation? Sabbath keeping is the fruit of Salvation or as Waggoner put it a sign of the faith/rest relationship we are supposed to have in Christ. Sabbath keeping does not save anyone, only Jesus has the power to save. One of the unique concepts of the 1888 message is the corporate or federal headship of Christ and it's really not unique because Paul spoke about it first. When Jesus died on the cross my life of sin died with him and when he rose from the grave, I rose from the grave as well. My Salvation was bought and paid for 2000 years ago on the cross so what we receive today is a finished product. We don't bring anything to the table. There is no God does his part and then I have to do my part as well. This type of thinking is false. We are receivers or dependents in the gospel equation. If anyone thinks they contribute something towards their own Salvation they will immediately lose it.
 
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What about Adventists who argue that Sabbath keeping is necessary for Salvation?

I'm sure there are some SDA that believe this but I have not encountered them on here... our zeal for Sabbath keeping is in obedience through love.

You have most of us pegged at the wrong end of the tree brother... Sabbath is our fruit not our root.
 
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lol. This aint my first rodeo there brother and if that were true and I really wish it were there would be much less emphasis on the law/Sabbath and much more on grace. Sabbath keeping actually reveals our understanding of the gospel better than anything. This is why I am all in favor of it. Those who are so strict and try to do everything just right don't understand the gospel. They think sin is eating meat or buying on the Sabbath or whatever worthless rule they put up on a pedestal. Just will worship and perfectionism that is devoid of faith.

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using; after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglectingh of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. Col. 2:20-23
 
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Every religion has its standards which reveal membership - or at least devotion. I dont want argue abouth keeping the sabbath - I just want to point out that its generally easier to abide by certain rules than to live in faith (and might be much more rewarding in general). True faith is more or less invisible
 
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Yes, true faith is invisible but our lives and actions do reveal what type of faith we have. A faith that believes that warming a pew on Saturday is the seal of God and warming a pew on Sunday is the mark of the beast is a false faith. The seal of God from the bible is the Father’s name written in the forehead Rev. 14:1. Also the Christians who overcame from the church of Philadelphia had the Father’s name written in their foreheads Rev. 3:12. Names in the bible were indicative of character so having the Father’s name means the owner has been conformed into the image of Christ who is the express image of the Father. This is the goal for every Christian and what the seal of God is all about. There may come a point in the last days when the Sabbath will come to represent this but today the Sabbath is viewed largely as a day of law and legalism.
 
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