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It seems to me that most people really don't care to answer the question. It is merely hypothetical thinking that is requested.Hypothetically-If you were given a proof that religion was false, would you abandon it?
First you thank me for answering your question (post #36), then you tell me that I shouldn't take part in the discussion?
AlexBP-If you can not imagine a hypothetical scenario of your religion being false for the purposes of answering the question in this thread then it is pointless taking part in the discussion.
What I said was: "Yes, I would.
However, I've never been given any convincing argument that my religion was false.
Most of the arguments that atheists toss at me are so absurd and illogical that they tend to strengthen my conviction that Christianity is true."
Attatchmernt and secular utility. What are the alternatives for a Muslim for instance who finds guidance and structure in their beliefs and practices, and has invested a lifetime of prychological energy in expressing and developing their faith. I say Muslim because it is a demanding religion, and so if change is stressful (old habits die hard etc) then change and readaptation may be a lot to ask. Especially in a social vaccuum of sophisticated alternatives. Outside of the faith community there may be no arranged marriage, not t-totality, no "salam alay cum" etc. Instead the percieved alternative may be a decadent secular hedonism. So there may for some be a rational and strong urge to resist change. Perhaps the ethics of belief might be overwhelmed by orhter practical concerns.Why would one be hesitant to abandon a false religion?
Attatchmernt and secular utility. What are the alternatives for a Muslim for instance who finds guidance and structure in their beliefs and practices, and has invested a lifetime of prychological energy in expressing and developing their faith. I say Muslim because it is a demanding religion, and so if change is stressful (old habits die hard etc) then change and readaptation may be a lot to ask. Especially in a social vaccuum of sophisticated alternatives. Outside of the faith community there may be no arranged marriage, not t-totality, no "salam alay cum" etc. Instead the percieved alternative may be a decadent secular hedonism. So there may for some be a rational and strong urge to resist change. Perhaps the ethics of belief might be overwhelmed by orhter practical concerns.
But maybe Im projecting there. For me faith may be unlikely, or difficult to rationalise, but I get so much out of it.
There can be no true utility in anything that is false. Only deception.
This is the import of what both Mr. Cherry and myself are trying to convey.
Christianity is true or it is false. It is "either or", not "both and".
Attachment is definently a reason why one may hold to a view even after it has been shown to be false, but is not justification for holding to such view. It is an excuse justified by the mind of its proponent at the behest of the heart in the face of truth and despite of the truth. This clearly is demonstrative of one's disregard for truth in favor of a lie constructed to coalesce with one's own fancy.
You do quite well in your presentation of a case to support your view, but upon closer inspection, we see it fails to convince. For if a Muslim is presented with evidence that Islam is false, he would not be truly rational at all in seeking to resist the abandonment of his faith in pursuit of truth. In his mind he may be convinced that grasping to a lie is rational or expedient for him, but it is merely a matter of self-deception.
There is no true utility in that which is false because that which is false does not correspond to the actual reality in which said proponent of that which is false resides.
Jesus echoes this sentiment when He states: "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."
Hypothetically-If you were given a proof that religion was false, would you abandon it?
But maybe Im projecting there. For me faith may be unlikely, or difficult to rationalise, but I get so much out of it.
There can be no true utility in anything that is false. Only deception.
I did respond; see post #87.Yes you have already told us that in Post#32 and when I asked you post an example to justify that assertion in Post#36 you failed to respond.
I disagree, I think there is unity in many things that are false. Of coures those united are unaware that which they believe is actually false, but still; they are united in their belief.There is no true utility in that which is false because that which is false does not correspond to the actual reality in which said proponent of that which is false resides.
I disagree, I think there is unity in many things that are false. Of coures those united are unaware that which they believe is actually false, but still; they are united in their belief.
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I did respond; see post #87.
Unless you (and those around you) have been deceived into thinking what is false is actually real. From that perspective, those that see through the deception are a "problem"....
There is no true utility in that which is false because that which is false does not correspond to the actual reality in which said proponent of that which is false resides.
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You mean a proof that my particular religion (Christianity) is false? Because I consider all other religions false beside Christianity.
If it were false I definitely would abandon it. I would prob still uphold the morals though. But it's very difficult for me to abandon it after I've encountered so much evidence for God & Jesus' deity.
You mean a proof that my particular religion (Christianity) is false?
Unless you (and those around you) have been deceived into thinking what is false is actually real. From that perspective, those that see through the deception are a "problem".
On what basis do you consider other religions false, but Christianity true?
Only speaking for myself, but:
Because the other religions are contrary to Christianity, and therefore, from a Christian POV, must be false.
That doesn't even come close to addressing the question...
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