I agree. But I believe that this refers to all babes and sucklings. Amen, and I love it. When my son was born, I looked into his eyes and saw the purest soul I ever saw (if that even makes any sense). He didn't know anything bad about my past; it was like an object lesson of God's absolute forgiveness. Major praise to God!The same word Christ uses here when the little children are praising Him. And it says out of their mouths, so then spoken from their little hearts, God has perfected praises to Christ. Christ also includes sucking infants who you can not hear speak with understanding, yet they praise Him and in perfected praises, this has God ordained.
Mat 21:16
And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes G3516and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?
I agree. But I believe that this refers to all babes and sucklings. Amen, and I love it. When my son was born, I looked into his eyes and saw the purest soul I ever saw (if that even makes any sense). He didn't know anything bad about my past; it was like an object lesson of God's absolute forgiveness. Major praise to God!
But I don't believe any of these infants know the literal name of Jesus in any cognitive way.
Babies and the sinful adults in question have something in common: neither of them have heard of the name of Jesus. If babies who die are saved then there are people who get saved without having heard of the name of Jesus.
Then we agree that all infants who die are saved (even though our views on election are different).I consider all infants and young children elect to salvation if they die.
That sounds like a reasonable statement. I think I agree with it.It is no problem for God to reveal to an infant's spirit the truth about Christ.
It's speculation to say that babies are people?This is all speculation. It's better to have your thinking formed by scripture.
Scripture is full of people who wanted to come to Christ and came.You are also missing the most important thing that undermines your ideas. No one wants to come to Christ.
Some criminals do seek a cop to turn themselves in. They're in the minority (as in 'few there be that find it'), but it's entirely up to the individual criminal to choose to seek a cop or choose not to.Sinners seek God like criminals seek a cop.
That's a pretty broad statement. There's always someone who deems someone to be something. I have a deem or two about you (not to be rude) and everyone else I meet.On top of that, and without meaning to be rude, your view are Pelagian, which was long ago deemed heresy.
That's a pretty broad statement.
It's speculation to say that babies are people?
It's speculation to say that God will have all men to be saved?
Scripture is full of people who wanted to come to Christ and came.
History is full of people who wanted to come to Christ and came.
My life is full of people who wanted to come to Christ and came.
I happen to be one myself.
Yes. Provide chapter and verse, otherwise.
Do you think Jesus was proposing heresy when he said that the publican went down to his house justified? I don't.What you are proposing is heresy, and that's not my opinion.
The fact that babies are people is "speculation"? Amazing.
Do you think Jesus was proposing heresy when he said that the publican went down to his house justified? I don't.
What politically motivated state-church councils deemed some guy named Pelagius is of no concern to me.
I didn't "claim" that all babies are saved; I said I "believe" all babies who die are saved. I base my belief on the good character of God as revealed in Scripture.That doesn't answer my question. How do you back up the claim that all babies are saved, Biblically?
I didn't "claim" that all babies are saved; I said I "believe" all babies who die are saved. I base my belief on the good character of God as revealed in Scripture.
There isn't salvation outside of Christ. If the baby is saved, Christ alone saved him.How is there salvation outside of Christ ...
Salvation doesn't necessarily require faith in all cases. I can save an adult from walking out in front of a moving car without him having faith in me, simply by giving him a shove from behind. He was incapable of having faith in or even being aware of me, and yet he received my free gift of salvation. My saving him was no violation of holiness or justness.... and faith in Him?
There isn't salvation outside of Christ. If the baby is saved, Christ alone saved him.
Salvation doesn't necessarily require faith in all cases. I can save an adult from walking out in front of a moving car without him having faith in me, simply by giving him a shove from behind. He was incapable of having faith in or even being aware of me, and yet he received my free gift of salvation. My saving him was no violation of holiness or justness.
When I'm using the term "saved", I'm not talking about not being hit by a car, and neither were you prior to this last statement. I was using the term "saved" as it refers to eternal life, as it is used in the verses below.
Could you please provide scriptural support for your theory that people are saved without faith in Christ? Below are some texts which clearly oppose that idea.
- John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."
- Rom. 3:22, "even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction."
- Rom. 3:26, "for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."
- Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
- Rom. 4:3, "For what does the Scripture say? "And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
- Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
- Rom. 4:16, "Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all."
- Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
- Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."
- Rom. 9:33, "just as it is written, “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”
- Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
- Rom. 10:9-10, "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; 10for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."
- Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
- Gal.3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
- Gal. 3:8, "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "All the nations shall be blessed in you."
- Gal. 3:14, "in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."
- Gal. 3:22, "But the Scripture has shut up all men under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe."
- Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
- Eph. 1:13, "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise."
- Eph. 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God."
- Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."
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