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I'm not implying, I'm am absolutely stating that protestant belief about the Trinity is taken from His Church and His Church's teachings not found in scripture. So far, no one has been able to prove otherwise.You are trying to imply our understanding of the Trinity only comes from the teaching and traditions of the RC church and thus outside of Scripture. Sorry, not buying it.
Whose voice said, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" while Jesus was being baptised by John? And what was the bodily form who descended on Jesus?I'm not implying, I'm am absolutely stating that protestant belief about the Trinity is taken from His Church and His Church's teachings not found in scripture. So far, no one has been able to prove otherwise.
We are not interested in satisfying you. We believe otherwise. It's all there in the Scriptures. Besides, "His Church" didn't even resemble the RC church when these things were first discussed. Not that I agree the RC church is "His Church."I'm not implying, I'm am absolutely stating that protestant belief about the Trinity is taken from His Church and His Church's teachings not found in scripture. So far, no one has been able to prove otherwise.
We are not interested in satisfying you. We believe otherwise. It's all there in the Scriptures. Besides, "His Church" didn't even resemble the RC church when these things were first discussed. Not that I agree the RC church is "His Church."
as asked prior and never answered, then explain these facts about the Trinity using only Scripture.Whose voice said, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" while Jesus was being baptised by John? And what was the bodily form who descended on Jesus?
Not to change the subject but just jumping in to say that one can never forget the veil was rent from top to bottom.His Church
You're entitled to your own opinion, so I won't argue with you about it. I just abide by the Westminster Confession of Faith, and that is good enough for me, even though it doesn't appear good enough for you. No problem.as asked prior and never answered, then explain these facts about the Trinity using only Scripture.
1. That the Father, Son and holy Spirit have one nature or substance.
2. That They have one power and authority.
3. That there is a consubstantial Trinity, one Deity to be adored in three subsistences or persons
So far we have the Baptism at the Jordan proposed, but that does not come close to explaining these 3 facts about the Trinity.
I'm sure you know what you meant to cover on this post.Not to change the subject but just jumping in to say that one can never forget the veil was rent from top to bottom.
Any church that does not promote the fact that we can "boldy" go to the Father/throne in Christ's name is not "his true church".
God will choose whomever to make sure his will is done. But any time we veer off course of the scriptures something is wrong.
The one true church is the one that the disciples and the apostles started. Again, if anything contradicts what they taught then they can no longer be called "his church". Anything that's been added that's a contradiction to the word is simply men's tradition.
Sure, but many of us are deeply aware of our unworthiness. The Apostle Paul considered himself the worst of sinners and that humility is a true mark of becoming Christ like. For example, there are those who say that "The Lord's Prayer" was given to us just as an example, but who are we to think that we can improve on the words of our Lord.Not to change the subject but just jumping in to say that one can never forget the veil was rent from top to bottom.
Any church that does not promote the fact that we can "boldy" go to the Father/throne in Christ's name is not "his true church".
God will choose whomever to make sure his will is done. But any time we veer off course of the scriptures something is wrong.
The one true church is the one that the disciples and the apostles started. Again, if anything contradicts what they taught then they can no longer be called "his church". Anything that's been added that's a contradiction to the word is simply men's tradition.
Yes, but that's why these verse resonate even more that we can approach the throne needing no one else but Christ.Sure, but many of us are deeply aware of our unworthiness
Not to mention, we are forbidden from attempting to communicate with the dead which includes Mary and the so-called saints. There is one mediator between God and man and that is Jesus. On earth, we might get a friend to put in a good word for us with someone we are reluctant to approach on our own. We hope their good standing with that person might benefit us especially if we are unknown or little known to that person. God knows us, inside and out. We don't need an "in" with God. We also cannot ask the dead to pray for us. Only the living.Yes, but that's why these verse resonate even more that we can approach the throne needing no one else but Christ.
Hebrews 4:14 "Seeing then that we have a great High Priest, That is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession."
Hebrews 4:15 "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."
Christ is not a High Priest that cannot be touched with the feelings of our sin because he knows how we feel in the flesh.
Hebrews 4:16 "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."
So if we teach anything that contradicts these very verses that says we should go to Mary or a Saint with the belief that they have more influence with Christ than us being able to just go to the Father in Christ's name, that's going against the very meaning of the veil being torn from top to the bottom to the Holy of Holies. That's why Christ died so we can go straight in and be that atonement for one and all time.
Ephesians 2:18 "For through Him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father."
Because it is pleasing to God when we do so.If you have God's invitation to talk directly with Him, why would you choose anything else?
That is not our experience, nor do I agree with your claim that prayer is only to God. For Protestants that may certainly be true, but it isn't for the majority of Christians today and especially for the last 2 millenia.That's not taking into account Mary and the saints can't hear your prayers (prayer is only to God).
Who said those are Three Persons of the Holy Trinity and together are one God?Whose voice said, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" while Jesus was being baptised by John? And what was the bodily form who descended on Jesus?
Anyone who accepts the conclusions of the Council of Nicea, and those who use their commonsense instead of religious prejudice.Who said those are Three Persons of the Holy Trinity and together are one God?
The Tradition of the Church says so. Scripture doesn't say so. But people are too proud to admit it.Who said those are Three Persons of the Holy Trinity and together are one God?
If valletta is arguing against the traditional doctrine of the Trinity, they the arguement is against CF's SoF, as this is a "Christian only" forum. Don't feed the trolls. LOL.The Tradition of the Church says so. Scripture doesn't say so. But people are too proud to admit it.
The profession of the Church Fathers at Nicea says the Father and Son are consubstantial (from the same substance). But that isn't Trinity. The Church grew in it's understanding of the Trinity.
I think you misunderstood Valletta's post.If valletta is arguing against the traditional doctrine of the Trinity, they the arguement is against CF's SoF, as this is a "Christian only" forum. Don't feed the trolls. LOL.
If the Father and the Son are consubstantial and both called God, and if the Holy Spirit is also called God (and Scripture declares that is One God), then the Holy Spirit must be consubstantial. That is simply a logical conclusion from Scripture and did not require additional revelation to "the tradition of the church."The Tradition of the Church says so. Scripture doesn't say so. But people are too proud to admit it.
The profession of the Church Fathers at Nicea says the Father and Son are consubstantial (from the same substance). But that isn't Trinity. The Church grew in it's understanding of the Trinity.
Scripture please showing the Father and Son are consubstantial. And then scripture showing that the Holy Spirit is consubstantial with the Father and the Son.then the Holy Spirit must be consubstantial
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