The Barbarian
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Hopefully, that will start to turn things around for him.I have to admit though that lately, the last week or so. RD has not been doing it like he was.
That would be impossible, assuming it took place a few thousand years ago. The simplest debunking has to do with physics. You see, the mass of all the continents would have to be accelerated to miles per year, and then accelerated downward to today's observed rates. That energy would have to be released as heat. And that would boil the oceans. Would you like to see the math for that?The global flood took place at the time of Pangea.
That makes no sense. Humans in pre-industrial times lived in all sorts of ecologies and managed to survive and thrive in them all. So that assumption is falsified by observed facts.Man is a part of a biodiverse eco system and if you want to save man you have to save the whole ecology that supports him.
That would be pretty hard, since Noah was not able to be in Eden. You think maybe he had the serpent bring them with him when he came to the Ark?That is what Noah did. He saved the plants and animals that were in Eden.
Historically, hunter-gathers were bigger and healthier than farmers. Crop cultures tended to experience famines and nutritional deficiencies due to over-reliance on a few sources of food, sometimes with crop failures. Would you like some details on how that works?Science can verify all of this when man went from a hunter gather to a food producer.
The best thing to do would be to read the book Paradigm by Jonathan Cahn. He explains this in a way that people can understand and is acceptable to Christians. I usually do not go by my opinions but by what is written in a best selling book somewhere.That would be impossible, assuming it took place a few thousand years ago.
He's a novelist. Seems to have no knowledge of geology or physics at all. You might as well ask the guy who mows your lawn, for financial advice.The best thing to do would be to read the book Paradigm by Jonathan Cahn.
Chariots of the Gods and Mein Kampf were best-sellers.I usually do not go by my opinions but by what is written in a best selling book somewhere.
Both of your theories have been debunked. The debate is over, so it's time to fess up.Too many species, too many mouths to feed. And if you're YEC you have over 1,000 species of dinosaurs and therapod dinosaurs to contend with. And frankly we are definitely on their menu. The Ark would need warehouse sized food and water storages. And what about waste disposal? The stinkiest ark to have ever sailed the global sea. Have you ever driven past a cattle farm but imagine that on a larger scale in an enclosed space? I think Christianity especially the Fundies, may need to accept that the flood was a massive regional one and likely a passed down oral tradition that may grew alittle larger each time it was taught and that was eventually became canonized by Moses and the ancient scribes. But furthermore, it fits the pattern of Yahweh's judgment of the nations throughout the Old Testament. In fact, both Jesus and Peter drew comparisons between the Flood and the destruction of Jerusalem A.D. 70 itself a regional, national judgment.
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"I saw a video on the inteweb; it has to be true!" C'mon.Both of your theories have been debunked. The debate is over, so it's time to fess up.
First the germ/virus theory has been exposed as a scam.
The End of Germ Theory
Your site is wrong. The Himalayas are not covered in marine fossils. They are made of marine fossils. This is because they are continental shelves pushed up into mountains when India moved north and collided with Asia. The other stuff on that site is equally foolish. If you doubt that, present what you think is the best evidence cited there, and we'll discuss it.Worldwide Flood, Worldwide Evidence
We were talking about how you seem to know as much about Bible interpretation as your lawn boy. Jesus taught in Parables. In addition to Paradigms we have allegory's, metaphor, archetype, homiletics, symbolic, allusions and so on. Walt Disney said there is no end and it goes on forever. My whole post started out with the simple statement we do not even enter into a deeper understanding of the Bible until we have been a christian for 40 years. My dad worked 12 hours a day six days a week for 50 years and in the end he was just getting started. Everything has a reason and a purpose. My son is a computer engineer and he tells me nothing is random. Some things are just to complicated to understand.Seems to have no knowledge of geology or physics at all.
There's no point in discussing these subjects while you still hold to theories which have been debunked and proven to be lies."I saw a video on the inteweb; it has to be true!" C'mon.
Your site is wrong. The Himalayas are not covered in marine fossils. They are made of marine fossils. This is because they are continental shelves pushed up into mountains when India moved north and collided with Asia. The other stuff on that site is equally foolish. If you doubt that, present what you think is the best evidence cited there, and we'll discuss it.
The difference is, your debunked theories are just religious speculation and revision of scrlpture, while scientists can measure and examine the evidence to see if it fits predictions. And it does. The movement of India into Asia is not over. The Himalayas are still rising. We can even measure how fast it took, because it's still moving.There's no point in discussing these subjects while you still hold to theories which have been debunked and proven to be lies.
Actually, only a minority of Christians accept your fairy tales.C'mon some scammer invents a fairy tale and it has to be true because the majority drank the cool aid. BTW,
Well, when I had one, he was going to seminary after graduation, so maybe you're right.We were talking about how you seem to know as much about Bible interpretation as your lawn boy.
God often uses stories and figurative language to teach. Not just Jesus' parables. You might do a little reading and see. Paradigms are not figurative stories, however.Jesus taught in Parables.
Well, I can beat that by a lot. "Christian" is capitalized, BTW, in respect to Jesus.My whole post started out with the simple statement we do not even enter into a deeper understanding of the Bible until we have been a christian for 40 years.
I've had people like that working for me. Union shop; not much to do about it.My dad worked 12 hours a day six days a week for 50 years and in the end he was just getting started.
He doesn't know about quantum random numbers? I would think a computer engineer would be aware of that...My son is a computer engineer and he tells me nothing is random.
I suppose so.Some things are just to complicated to understand.
I'm sure your scientists can measure anything to fabricate evidence. Funny how they don't allow anyone to question their methodology, which has been proven to be a fraudulent method which relies on circular reasoning. That's where scammers force you to accept their fake method before they spin the baloney to produce evidence.The difference is, your debunked theories are just religious speculation and revision of scrlpture, while scientists can measure and examine the evidence to see if it fits predictions. And it does. The movement of India into Asia is not over. The Himalayas are still rising. We can even measure how fast it took, because it's still moving.
Actually, only a minority of Christians accept your fairy tales.
Ah... "They are lying!! THEY ARE ALL LYING!!!" Heard that one before. That's your best excuse?I'm sure your scientists can measure anything to fabricate evidence.
It seems you don't know what "circular reasoning" is. What do you think it is?Funny how they don't allow anyone to question their methodology, which has been proven to be a fraudulent method which relies on circular reasoning.
Maybe you'd do better if you understood a little about the way science learns about things like this.That's where scammers force you to accept their fake method before they spin the baloney to produce evidence.
No. Science is a limited method. It can't consider the supernatural at all. Can't endorse it, can't reject it. You have a very naive idea of what science is.True science has all the answerers to everything
He mostly programs with Pi, he just took a ton of math classes. He was taking classes from four different colleges when he was in High School. They gave him a budget of $30,000 per year. His friends were amazing, some of them got $90,000 scholarships to the best universities. He wanted to take a class on 3D computers but he had a conflict to the High School added the class for us. Only they spent most of the class setting up the printer and getting it to work. So he did not do much on it. In some cases it is possible to graduate from High School with a 2 year degree.He doesn't know about quantum random numbers? I would think a computer engineer would be aware of that...
There's a lot more to it. Key is that quantum events are irreducibly random. So you can get true random numbers thereby.He mostly programs with Pi, he just took a ton of math classes. He was taking classes from four different colleges when he was in High School. They gave him a budget of $30,000 per year. His friends were amazing, some of them got $90,000 scholarships to the best universities. He wanted to take a class on 3D computers but he had a conflict to the High School added the class for us. Only they spent most of the class setting up the printer and getting it to work. So he did not do much on it. In some cases it is possible to graduate from High School with a 2 year degree.
Lots of errors there. First, scientists are usually pretty leery of fabricating evidence. If your results can't be reproduced, it can be career-ending for you. And even scientists question the methodology from time to time. Read some Karl Popper or Thomas Kuhn; The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Not that they can't make mistakes. Both Popper and Kuhn goofed on some things. Popper even came forward and discussed his error.I'm sure your scientists can measure anything to fabricate evidence. Funny how they don't allow anyone to question their methodology, which has been proven to be a fraudulent method which relies on circular reasoning.
Perhaps you don't know what "circular reasoning" means. What do you think it means?which has been proven to be a fraudulent method which relies on circular reasoning.
YE creationists aren't scientists. Do you have some real examples? Show us from the scientific literature. What do you have?That's where scammers force you to accept their fake method before they spin the baloney to produce evidence.
No. Science can only investigate the physical universe. You shouldn't worship science. It's just a method. Granted, the best method we have for investigating the physical universe, but that's it.True science has all the answerers to everything,
Not all YE creationists are just following fairy tales. Some are making a good faith effort to support their religious ideas with evidence.but most people have been conditioned to reject the truth and embrace fairy tales.
Sounds like you don't know the difference between true science and pseudo science.Lots of errors there. First, scientists are usually pretty leery of fabricating evidence. If your results can't be reproduced, it can be career-ending for you. And even scientists question the methodology from time to time. Read some Karl Popper or Thomas Kuhn; The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Not that they can't make mistakes. Both Popper and Kuhn goofed on some things. Popper even came forward and discussed his error.
Perhaps you don't know what "circular reasoning" means. What do you think it means?
YE creationists aren't scientists. Do you have some real examples? Show us from the scientific literature. What do you have?
No. Science can only investigate the physical universe. You shouldn't worship science. It's just a method. Granted, the best method we have for investigating the physical universe, but that's it.
Not all YE creationists are just following fairy tales. Some are making a good faith effort to support their religious ideas with evidence.
This is what happens to you for sleeping in science class. Nothing in science is ever "proven." We only get increasingly confident we have it right. Science is basically inductive. Proof is when you know all the rules and deduce the particulars. Science is when you observe the particulars and infer the rules. There are inductive proofs in math, but I can't think of one that applies in science.Sounds like you don't know the difference between true science and pseudo science.
In true science, everything must be proven with actual evidence, not theoretical non existent evidence as in pseudo science.
Sounds very unlikely, but go ahead and show us your proof. Remember what's required for proofs.We poses the truth and our science is fully documented an proven by irrefutable evidence.
That's your addition to scripture. For example, he says the Earth brought forth living things, but didn't tell us how. You filled in the blanks with your imagination and declared that to be the word of God. Stop putting words in God's mouth.We have all the evidence from the One who created everything, He told us how everything came into being
It seems you don't know what "circular reasoning" is. What do you think it is?Now just before you go off on a tangent, with your circular reasoning defense.
Did God create you? Are you telling us you were created in a mature state? C'mon. That's another of your revisions of His word, to make it more acceptable to you.Understand that God created everything, in a fully mature state.
Since God is truth, such deception is not something He would do. You did give us a demonstration of circular reasoning, however. Nice work.The sedimentary rock layers already appeared to be billions of years old, and everything else looked fully mature and old.
No scientist puts faith in other scientists. We accept what they say, if they can show that their predictions are verified by subsequent evidence. You really don't know much about science at all, do you?There's no such thing as a Christian scientist who puts his faith in deluded snake oils salesmen like Darwin.
I don't think He's laughing at you. I suspect He's disappointed you can't believe Him.All they have managed to do is deceive those who are already blind to the truth, but they can never damage the integrity of God who always has the last laugh.
Just curious on your thought process…Lots of errors there. First, scientists are usually pretty leery of fabricating evidence. If your results can't be reproduced, it can be career-ending for you. And even scientists question the methodology from time to time. Read some Karl Popper or Thomas Kuhn; The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Not that they can't make mistakes. Both Popper and Kuhn goofed on some things. Popper even came forward and discussed his error.
Perhaps you don't know what "circular reasoning" means. What do you think it means?
YE creationists aren't scientists. Do you have some real examples? Show us from the scientific literature. What do you have?
No. Science can only investigate the physical universe. You shouldn't worship science. It's just a method. Granted, the best method we have for investigating the physical universe, but that's it.
Not all YE creationists are just following fairy tales. Some are making a good faith effort to support their religious ideas with evidence.
One does not put faith in science. One looks at the evidence and decides.Just curious on your thought process…
You seem to place a lot of faith in science
There are legitmate YE scientists. They honestly admit that they put their faith in YE above the evidence. But they generally admit that the evidence supports an OE an evolution. Would you like to see some of that?all except YEC who, you feel are pseudo-scientists because they don’t fit your paradigm.
Yes.In post #316 you stated that “Science can only investigate the physical universe.” and yet by your bio, your Catholic.
The immaculate conception is a miracle, and not open to scientific investigation. Science can neither confirm nor deny miracles.The question in my mind is do you believe in the Virgin Birth and how, under your definition, would you investigate that?
They wouldn't want you to. They would only hope you'd look at the evidence.I wouldn't place a great deal of faith in any scientist.
You can tell what gender one is genetically by whether or not they have a Y chromosome. Biological gender is easy. But social gender is a cultural construct. Like race, you have to decide which is important to you. There are biological races in some species, but in humans, race is just a cultural construct,They can't even tell us what gender a person is today
China. Most likely from miners who were exposed to bats in a cave in Hunan.or where the Covid virus came from.
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