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Hey Barbarian,Kind of a "Chariots of the Gods" thing, but with homegrown gods instead of aliens. If you're a fan of flapdoodle, this will not disappoint.
In the history of biblical interpretation, four major types of hermeneutics have emerged: the literal, moral, allegorical, and anagogical.It is called using common sense.In the history of biblical interpretation, four major types of hermeneutics have emerged: the literal, moral, allegorical, and anagogical.
I know you want to believe that, but reality shows us otherwise. Darwin's predictions have been repeatedly verified. Why not just accept God's creation His way?Darwin accomplished nothing with his life. Every word he ever wrote and every thought he ever thought has been well refuted long before he was born. You can't waste a life as well as Darwin and Marx did.
Only if you think God is subject to creation. But creation is subject to God. He created the Earth to bring forth life. God uses nature to do most things in this world. Why not just accept it His way?Sounds like creation minus God here.
They didn't know about DNA, either. Apparently God didn't think it was important to our salvation. You reject Genesis because it doesn't fit your new doctrines.Genesis 1:3 is not the Big Bang. There is no ancient church fathers who even dropped a hint about this.
Neither of those men said anything about the origin of life, and they certainly didn't object to Darwin's observation that God might have created any number of original ancestors from which all others evolved. Again, if you actually read what these men wrote, you wouldn't be so easy for others to fool you.Dr.Louis Pasteur and Joseph Lister came around and proved Darwin's theory completely wrong
Darwin's theory wasn't about the origin of life. In fact, he attributed the origin of life to God:proving that the ancient held belief of spontaneous generation (aka, abiogenesis) cannot ever happen no matter how much time you want to give it.
I see your denial. But your numerous misunderstandings about the theory and what Darwin actually discovered shows that you never bothered to even learn about it.I was open minded from the start.
That's a prime example. Darwin's great discovery was that it isn't by chance. But it's far from the only misconception you have about his theory or the actual phenomenon of evolution.I just had enough common sense to know the difference between God and random chance.
That's another of your misconceptions. Darwin attributed the origin of life to God.Darwin was a teacher of godlessness.
If you want to do that, why not just accept His creation as it is?I place my faith in God
True. Unless you make an idol of your new faith, God won't care at all. As Huxley said, if he was to face God and told he was wrong, his response would be "I was mistaken." It's honest. And God doesn't really care if you approve of evolution.Even IF the position I hold is wrong I know it won't be held against me.
You seem to be confusing the phenomenon of evolution with your conception of the boogeyman.I see what evolutionists have done to our western world and all the godlessness that has come from belief in evolution and recognize all this as bad works of the spirit, not bearing good fruit. Jesus said no good tree will bear bad fruit. I believe what Jesus said and will continue to reject what Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and AOC say.
Oh, my gosh... long time, indeed... what forum was that? Good to hear from you.Hey Barbarian,
Long time no see. You knew me as Ffreeloader.
Just how many of his missing links have been proven to be frauds? There has never been a real missing link found.I know you want to believe that, but reality shows us otherwise. Darwin's predictions have been repeatedly verified. Why not just accept God's creation His way?
God says that life was brought forth from the Earth, so we would have to investigate and see where the matter in the Earth came from. We know that all elements heavier than lithium were formed in supernovae.
Only if you think God is subject to creation. But creation is subject to God. He created the Earth to bring forth life. God uses nature to do most things in this world. Why not just accept it His way?
They didn't know about DNA, either. Apparently God didn't think it was important to our salvation. You reject Genesis because it doesn't fit your new doctrines.
Ironically, you found only something not in Darwin's theory. He had no way of knowing that common descent of all organisms on Earth was true, nor did he make that claim. Again, not knowing much about this sort of thing is precisely why you keep embarrassing yourself here. Please take a little time to learn about it, and then tell us what you know.
Neither of those men said anything about the origin of life, and they certainly didn't object to Darwin's observation that God might have created any number of original ancestors from which all others evolved. Again, if you actually read what these men wrote, you wouldn't be so easy for others to fool you.
Darwin's theory wasn't about the origin of life. In fact, he attributed the origin of life to God:
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.
Last sentence of On the Origin of Species
You've been so thoroughly indoctrinated into the new faith of YE creationism that you may never escape. But for those still considering the issues, our discussion will be useful for them to think about what has been said here. So it's not been a waste of time.
I see your denial. But your numerous misunderstandings about the theory and what Darwin actually discovered shows that you never bothered to even learn about it.
That's a prime example. Darwin's great discovery was that it isn't by chance. But it's far from the only misconception you have about his theory or the actual phenomenon of evolution.
That's another of your misconceptions. Darwin attributed the origin of life to God.
If you want to do that, why not just accept His creation as it is?
True. Unless you make an idol of your new faith, God won't care at all. As Huxley said, if he was to face God and told he was wrong, his response would be "I was mistaken." It's honest. And God doesn't really care if you approve of evolution.
You seem to be confusing the phenomenon of evolution with your conception of the boogeyman.
I have some more info for you.I know you want to believe that, but reality shows us otherwise. Darwin's predictions have been repeatedly verified. Why not just accept God's creation His way?
God says that life was brought forth from the Earth, so we would have to investigate and see where the matter in the Earth came from. We know that all elements heavier than lithium were formed in supernovae.
Only if you think God is subject to creation. But creation is subject to God. He created the Earth to bring forth life. God uses nature to do most things in this world. Why not just accept it His way?
They didn't know about DNA, either. Apparently God didn't think it was important to our salvation. You reject Genesis because it doesn't fit your new doctrines.
Ironically, you found only something not in Darwin's theory. He had no way of knowing that common descent of all organisms on Earth was true, nor did he make that claim. Again, not knowing much about this sort of thing is precisely why you keep embarrassing yourself here. Please take a little time to learn about it, and then tell us what you know.
Neither of those men said anything about the origin of life, and they certainly didn't object to Darwin's observation that God might have created any number of original ancestors from which all others evolved. Again, if you actually read what these men wrote, you wouldn't be so easy for others to fool you.
Darwin's theory wasn't about the origin of life. In fact, he attributed the origin of life to God:
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.
Last sentence of On the Origin of Species
You've been so thoroughly indoctrinated into the new faith of YE creationism that you may never escape. But for those still considering the issues, our discussion will be useful for them to think about what has been said here. So it's not been a waste of time.
I see your denial. But your numerous misunderstandings about the theory and what Darwin actually discovered shows that you never bothered to even learn about it.
That's a prime example. Darwin's great discovery was that it isn't by chance. But it's far from the only misconception you have about his theory or the actual phenomenon of evolution.
That's another of your misconceptions. Darwin attributed the origin of life to God.
If you want to do that, why not just accept His creation as it is?
True. Unless you make an idol of your new faith, God won't care at all. As Huxley said, if he was to face God and told he was wrong, his response would be "I was mistaken." It's honest. And God doesn't really care if you approve of evolution.
You seem to be confusing the phenomenon of evolution with your conception of the boogeyman.
(possible biological origin for the seven-day week)I have some more info for you.
You misread. It's "missing lynx." And they found it:Just how many of his missing links have been proven to be frauds?
Which makes sense, since all eukaroytes are descended from prokaryotes that had the same sort of DNA. In fact, chemical bonding makes this particular DNA spiral in only one way. But you've wandered off the subject. This is more about the way life began than about evolution. Darwin just thought that God created the first living things. If He had done it by poofing, everything we see would still work the same way.In addition to that there are only right had twists in all dna, in both plant and animal life.
You've kinda wandered off the subject. If God had just poofed the universe into being magically, evolution would work exactly the way we see it working now.Plus with the installation of the James Web telescope you guys are having to rethink your big bang theory
This is why Paley used an artifact instead of natural objects to attempt the argument you're trying to make. If you used a natural thing, no one would see the issue. But you've wandered away from evolution to abiogenesis again. There is considerable scientific evidence that God was right when He said that the Earth brought forth living things. But let's stick to evolution for now.Plus life is far more complex that anything else. Yet if I put some iron ore, silica sand, copper, gold, oil, and the natural elements for making batteries in a pile on the ground how many eons would it take for computer to generate itself?
Speciation is an observed fact. Even most creationists now concede new species and genera, and sometimes familes. Would you like to learn about that?Besides one of the principle of science is observation. No one has ever observed an amoeba becoming another species.
Yeah, I know I'm just too retarded to understand the genius of evolution.
That original abstract came from PubMed. The second article confirms what was in the abstract. There are two sources. The second article cites 11 different scientific studies including the foremost researcher, Hallberg, in the world into circaseptian cycles. That tells me this has a very solid scientific basis.(possible biological origin for the seven-day week)
Cool. Humans may have been affected by this apparent seven-day rhythm found in other living things. That wouldn't be the only biological rhythm in humans that was evolved in earlier vertebrates, but it's a pretty interesting one, if true.
I'd be even more impressed if other could replicate the results. Anyone else found that? Incidentally, it's been shown that organisms kept deep in caves tend to lose circadian rhythms. Might be interesting to see if this is innately evolved or is merely environmental influence.
It might be argued that God put the desire to keep a 7-day week to His glory in humans, but it's difficult to see how He would intend that for rats, among others.
And since, for most of our time on Earth, humans were hunter-gatherers, who had a who lot more leisure time than just one day every seven days, I'm kinda skeptical that it represents some kind of metabolic need.
Biological clocks govern numerous aspects of human health, including weekly clocks-called circaseptan rhythms-that typically include early-week spikes for many illnesses.That original abstract came from PubMed. The second article confirms what was in the abstract. There are two sources. The second article cites 11 different scientific studies including the foremost researcher, Hallberg, in the world into circaseptian cycles. That tells me this has a very solid scientific basis.
Kind of a remarkable confirmation of common descent. Given that the length of the day has increased reasonably steadily over billions of years, it would be interesting to see if there's any evidence for a change in the length of the rhythm over time.As to rats, you're smart enough to fully understand God who is able to speak the world and all life in it into existence? And these cycles are all triggered by light and darkness. Even melatonin levels fluctuate on a 7 day cycle.
I find it interesting that you are so stuck on evolution that you'll change to a theistic evolutionist rather very quickly rather than just admit the evidence points directly toward God speaking the world into existence and creating our entire environment in six days and the Sabbath on the seventh. There can be no other reason for the weekly cycle and our internal circeptian rhythm.Biological clocks govern numerous aspects of human health, including weekly clocks-called circaseptan rhythms-that typically include early-week spikes for many illnesses.
Apparently, there are circadecadal rbythms, which may be related to geomagnetic activity.
MAPPING OF CIRCASEPTAN AND CIRCADIAN CHANGES IN MOOD - PMC
Circadian changes in mood have been described earlier. A positive affect (PA) has been separated from a negative affect (NA), as independent components in opposite admittedly subjective directions, a circadian rhythm characterizing both aspects. ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
For whatever reason this evolved in vertebrates, it seems that God's command was in accordance with our inherited nature.
Mark 2:27 And he said to them: The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.
Kind of a remarkable confirmation of common descent. Given that the length of the day has increased reasonably steadily over billions of years, it would be interesting to see if there's any evidence for a change in the length of the rhythm over time.
Biologist here. So I've seen it happening. Can't be better evidence than that. You're so probably stuck in denial that you just tune out that kind of evidence.I find it interesting that you are so stuck on evolution
I'm just a Trinitarian Christian who happens to know what the evidence is. God did a pretty good job, in my estimation. YE creationists aren't quite as convinced. Pity.that you'll change to a theistic evolutionist rather very quickly
Since we find the same rhythms in other vertebrates, and God seems unconcerned if they do stuff on the Sabbath, your assumption runs counter to the evidence as well as to Christian orthodoxy.the evidence points directly toward God speaking the world into existence and creating our entire environment in six days and the Sabbath on the seventh.
From the evidence, the seven-day rhythm came about long before man was here. Why not just accept it God's way?There can be no other reason for the weekly cycle and our internal circeptian rhythm.
Truth isn't solidified opinion.I find truth to be too precious a commodity in this day and age of deceit and corruption.
You're wrong once again.Biologist here. So I've seen it happening. Can't be better evidence than that. You're so probably stuck in denial that you just tune out that kind of evidence.
I'm just a Trinitarian Christian who happens to know what the evidence is. God did a pretty good job, in my estimation. YE creationists aren't quite as convinced. Pity.
Since we find the same rhythms in other vertebrates, and God seems unconcerned if they do stuff on the Sabbath, your assumption runs counter to the evidence as well as to Christian orthodoxy.
From the evidence, the seven-day rhythm came about long before man was here. Why not just accept it God's way?
Truth isn't solidified opinion.
Noah's flood was only intended to destroy corrupted mankind.Too many species, too many mouths to feed. And if you're YEC you have over 1,000 species of dinosaurs and therapod dinosaurs to contend with. And frankly we are definitely on their menu. The Ark would need warehouse sized food and water storages. And what about waste disposal? The stinkiest ark to have ever sailed the global sea. Have you ever driven past a cattle farm but imagine that on a larger scale in an enclosed space? I think Christianity especially the Fundies, may need to accept that the flood was a massive regional one and likely a passed down oral tradition that may grew alittle larger each time it was taught and that was eventually became canonized by Moses and the ancient scribes. But furthermore, it fits the pattern of Yahweh's judgment of the nations throughout the Old Testament. In fact, both Jesus and Peter drew comparisons between the Flood and the destruction of Jerusalem A.D. 70 itself a regional, national judgment.
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You must be joking. There were living things long before the 10 Commandments were give to us. God didn't make circaseptan rhythms by writing a commandment. Nature produced these a long, long time before that according to His will. He merely pointed out the need for a day or rest.You're wrong once again.
Seems obvious. Why would God go after innocent animals to get even with man?Noah's flood was only intended to destroy corrupted mankind.
I wonder if it said "the whole (eretz)" or "the whole (tevel)." My guess is that the Hebrew was "eretz."Now the whole earth had one language and a common speech. As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there." Genesis 11:1-2
Yes, this is so. We don't know for sure, because we don't have the details. But it makes sense.Noah's flood could have taken place (and be contained by God) within a land mass equivalent of the small state of Rhode Island.
Possibly even smaller. For to have God to judge all men and be fair? All mankind would have had to have access to hearing the warnings of Noah. And, to know about the ark which was being built for 120 years.
So long, Barbarian. I know from sad experience that it's no use discussing this any more with you. We argued endlessly on TOL, but God has changed me a lot since then. Have a good life.Biologist here. So I've seen it happening. Can't be better evidence than that. You're so probably stuck in denial that you just tune out that kind of evidence.
I'm just a Trinitarian Christian who happens to know what the evidence is. God did a pretty good job, in my estimation. YE creationists aren't quite as convinced. Pity.
Since we find the same rhythms in other vertebrates, and God seems unconcerned if they do stuff on the Sabbath, your assumption runs counter to the evidence as well as to Christian orthodoxy.
From the evidence, the seven-day rhythm came about long before man was here. Why not just accept it God's way?
Truth isn't solidified opinion.
You must be joking. There were living things long before the 10 Commandments were give to us. God didn't make circaseptan rhythms by writing a commandment. Nature produced these a long, long time before that according to His will. He merely pointed out the need for a day or rest.
Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
For once, why not just accept it God's way?
Sometimes, it comes down to facts. No matter how clever the argument, there's no getting around the facts.So long, Barbarian. I know from sad experience that it's no use discussing this any more with you.
Is it still around? It started to fall apart when Knight left.We argued endlessly on TOL
You too. Enjoy His blessings.but God has changed me a lot since then. Have a good life.
Yes. It's down to about a half dozen posters as JudgeRightly is now an administrator and he temp bans anyone who disagrees with him. Sherman is the other administrator and she reverses his bans on a regular basis. He's a very slow learner as it's happened 4 times with me and I;ve only been back less than a year.. The guy just hates anyone who doesn't believe the same way he does. He banned a user who recently returned under another name simply because he doesn't believe the same thing JR does. You know what for? For creating a post JR thought was too long. No warning, no nothing. And JR creates pages long posts.. JR, RightDivider and Clete. are all busy calling anyone who disagrees with their beliefs a fool and a liar.Sometimes, it comes down to facts. No matter how clever the argument, there's no getting around the facts.
Is it still around? It started to fall apart when Knight left.
You too. Enjoy His blessings.
Clete and I clashed a lot, but he always seemed like a decent person. Sherman always seemed like a sensible person to me. It's sad to see a formerly thriving site fall into ruin like that.Yes. It's down to about a half dozen posters as JudgeRightly is now an administrator and he temp bans anyone who disagrees with him. Sherman is the other administrator and she reverses his bans on a regular basis. He's a very slow learner as it's happened 4 times with me and I;ve only been back less than a year.. The guy just hates anyone who doesn't believe the same way he does. He banned a user who recently returned under another name simply because he doesn't believe the same thing JR does. You know what for? For creating a post JR thought was too long. No warning, no nothing. And JR creates pages long posts.. JR, RightDivider and Clete. are all busy calling anyone who disagrees with their beliefs a fool and a liar.
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