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I've seen some efforts by creationists to create situation. Unfalsifiable statements and shifting the burden of proof are common.So you wouldn't mind joining some creation scientists on stage to debate all this then and show them how wrong they are?
That's all very nice and dandy but it excludes the general public from having any of this explained to them in a way that they can understand and with both parties present so that they can see which side gives the most plausible answers to life's big questions.
Most people haven't got the time or the expertise to wade through masses of technical literature and then try to evaluate who is closer to the truth, so most people either don't bother to think about it, blindly accept what few facts they are given or just remain sitting on the fence, unable to come to any decision at all. These are the fundamentals of our very existence and everyone who is able should be encouraged to get involved, for until we know for sure where we came from, we can't know where we are going.
Please do enlighten us. I did watch it, but I don't think it really went into enough depth. What "results" do you have?
To these high priests of evolution, we say, “We are ready, so why do you keep avoiding CMI?
Creation-believing scientists have issued a challenge to debate science with evolution-believing scientists:-
A challenge
To these high priests of evolution, we say, “We are ready, so why do you keep avoiding CMI? Keep the ad hominem out of it; our science against yours. If your case is so strong, engage us in open and frank debate.”
http://creation.com/teaching-creati...=infobytes&utm_content=gb&utm_campaign=emails
Who among you that are so sure evolution is a fact will take up their offer? Even better, ask an independent person or persons to film it so we can all witness the outcome. Let it be broadcast on national TV for all to see. Now's your chance to lay your cards on the table.
Why is it always just a debate between creationists (usually placing faith in one "God" who is the creator) and evolutionists (who usually deny the existence of such a God)?
Let us polytheists join in as well
That's all very nice and dandy but it excludes the general public from having any of this explained to them in a way that they can understand and with both parties present so that they can see which side gives the most plausible answers to life's big questions.
These are the fundamentals of our very existence and everyone who is able should be encouraged to get involved, for until we know for sure where we came from, we can't know where we are going.
Are you aware that there are Christians who do understand that?The challenge was issued first by Francis Bacon. It's called the scientific method and the scientific community. The challenge is to do real scientific research, support your hypothesis, publish the research, and defend it in front of your peers. These venues include the peer reviewed science journals and scientific conferences.
That is where the real debate is, and creationists avoid those venues like the plague. The original challenge is still there, and creationists need to take it up. Until they do, they have no leg to stand on.
That's barbaric...Or, the extra-funny, debates between creationists themselves.
Take 2 different fundamentalist christian churches and have the pastors go at it.
Pretty much the only thing they'll agree on is "god-did-it" and "jezus is awesome".
The other day there was a thread here asking a question about a specific thing concerning creationism. A couple of prominent members, that usually stand firmly together against mainstream biology, swooped in there and pretty much agreed on nothing.
I thought that was hilarious.
It would be funny as hell to see Ken Ham go up against Kent Hovind or something. For additional entertainment value, we could throw Ray "banana man" Comfort into that pit as well.
Ow man...
Now, I think you know that would be impossible.It would be the job of creationists to do original research, back their hypothesis, publish the research, and defend that work in front of their peers in the scientific community. They won't do it. They refuse to step into the ring.
Now, I think you know that would be impossible.
Creationism (ism?) isn't a hypothesis, it is faith.
The thing creationists do not understand (and maybe some science geeks don't really "get it" either) is that the Bible is not and never was intended to be a science textbook. God wasn't giving the world a technical manual on how to build your own universe in just six days or how to create a man.
I don't suppose it ever occurred to anyone that God invented science in the first place.
Why is it always just a debate between creationists (usually placing faith in one "God" who is the creator) and evolutionists (who usually deny the existence of such a God)?
Let us polytheists join in as well
PRATT's, one and all.I've just watched a debate between a creation-believing scientist and an evolution beleiving scientist, but I didn't get much out of it, partly but not totally due to the sometimes poor sound quality.
I think the only way the public would get anything out of this would be if they were the ones to pose the questions, e.g., a studio audience in a live debate. Otherwise, the scientists on both sides would just pick their own particular topics that they think supported their ideas and the persons watching the exchanges would learn very little. The subject matter could be widened to include all things relating to our existence, so would take in astrophysics as well. Here are some examples of questions that such an audience might want to pose:-
- Where did all the space and matter come from to form the universe and what was before that?
- How could life get started from lifeless chemicals?
- Why is the sun misaligned by about 7 degrees to all the planets that orbit it?
- What about the unusual rotation of Uranus - how can that be explained?
- How could the first stars form just from gas?
- Why are there fully-formed galaxies right at the edge of the known universe, where even stars should barely be forming?
- What do you think is beyond the known universe?
- Given that comets have a relatively very short life span, is there any hard evidence to show where they are being formed or is it just speculation?
- How do you overcome the problem of chirality in amino acids and proteins?
- Where did all the vast amounts of information in our cells come from?
- Define evolution and then provide some examples of it occurring in the world around us.
- Give some examples of definite transitional creatures in the fossil record, given that most of what we know about a creature is apparently only contained in its soft tissues, long since lost.
- What would it take to convince you of the possibility that the universe was supernaturally created? If you already accept that as being the most likely cause of all reality, explain why you believe that to be the best explanation.
- Do you accept that life appears to be designed and if so, who do you think is/was the designer?
- How do you account for the anthropic principle?
So you wouldn't mind joining some creation scientists on stage to debate all this then and show them how wrong they are?
That's all very nice and dandy but it excludes the general public from having any of this explained to them in a way that they can understand and with both parties present so that they can see which side gives the most plausible answers to life's big questions.
Most people haven't got the time or the expertise to wade through masses of technical literature and then try to evaluate who is closer to the truth, so most people either don't bother to think about it, blindly accept what few facts they are given or just remain sitting on the fence, unable to come to any decision at all. These are the fundamentals of our very existence and everyone who is able should be encouraged to get involved, for until we know for sure where we came from, we can't know where we are going.
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