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Did you not read the scripture he presented? Would you like to discuss them, prove them wrong, or just stick with empty accusations that never really gets down to scripture?
Read my last post. It not only challenges the OP but explains why.
How do you know what sorts of cowards are in view in the passage from Revelations 21:8? In the Greek, the word you render "cowardly" (deilos) is actually a term broader in its meaning, including "fearful" or "timid" and, by implication, "faithless." The Jamieson, Fawcett and Brown Bible Commentary makes a very excellent observation about this term:
I not measuring your character, I'm trying to find out where you got that very false idea from.
Not only not necessarily unsaved but definitely unsaved as I've always read it.
I'll give benefit of the doubt for the moment, and so there is no confusion, please give exact verse numbers for those three passages so I can read them in context, and see if what you are seeing is true or false. Thanks
OK, I found it.
I see absolutely no implication at all "coward" means lack of faith. Seriously, how do the terms "timid/fearful" do as you claim, and imply "cowardly" means "faithless"?
I don't think so. There are verses that were directed to the Jews, those who have experienced God, tasted of His glory, lived by the Word, the Law, yet did not receive Christ.This is all very exciting, but you have missed
out on the NT verses which warn of beleivers
in the churches LOSING eternal life, and
other believers GAINING eternal death.
Here's another way to look at it ...
Why would there be so many warning verses
to unsaved people in the churches?
For example ...
There are many "IF" conditional NT verses,
such as: IF you continue to remain faithful,
you will receive what you hope for in Christ.
You do not understand the new birth. Only those not born again will fail to overcome sin and perish. Trying to overcome in the weakness of the flesh.“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)
(1) -- the cowardly
This group represents at least 3 sub-groups:
(A) - People who are afraid of accepting and/or
confessing Jesus (for a variety of reasons)
(B) - BACs who fall away from the faith during the great persecution of Christians
(Matthew 24:13, Matthew 10:22, Mark 13:13)
(C) - BACs who submit to taking the deadly mark of the beast during the time of the antichrist
(Revelation 13:7-17, Revelation 14:9-10,
Revelation 20:4, and also 2:10, 12:11)
(2) -- the unbelieving
This group obviously are those who
do NOT believe in Jesus Christ.
(However, God does say that those who are disobedient are proving their unbelief:
Hebrews 3:18-19, 4:3-6, 4:11).
(3) -- the abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars
This group represents a long list of sinners, especially habitual sinners.
And this group represents at least 2 sub-groups:
(A) - All non-believers who are habitual sinners.
(B) - All BACs who choose to be habitual sinners
----- (Many NT verses teach they are NOT
-- --- on the path to eternal life.)
Please note
Those in (A) can become BACs.
Those in (B) can repent (stop sinning) and
get back on that narrow path to eternal life.
Please note
Group (3) does NOT include BACs who commit the occasional sin (and then repent), for these
are co-operating with the precious Holy Spirit,
as per Romans 8 …
● walking according to the Spirit (8:1, 8:4)
● living according to the Spirit (8:5)
● spiritually minded (8:6)
● in the Spirit (8:9)
● putting to death the flesh >
in order to live spiritually (8:13)
● being led by the Spirit >
proving they are sons of God (8:14)
● suffering with Him >
to be joint heirs with Christ (8:17)
$$$ These BACs are slaves of obedience,
leading to righteousness (Romans 6:16)
... and are slaves of righteousness,
leading to holiness (Romans 6:19).
This is all part of being sanctified unto holiness!
Probably all except murderers and sorcerers.“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Are our churches today full of those types of people? I wouldn't think so.
Some world-wide will take it out of ignorance.Your type-C cowards also don't exist, they are a fiction; for no true born-again child of God would take the Mark of the Beast.
FYI, the Lord God has called many of His people to WARN the rest of His people about such things as NT verses which are His warnings!You really have an axe to grind with this saved-and-lost, works-salvation stuff! You just can't let off promoting these false doctrines! Yikes!
With your logic, no verses apply to you!Its crucial to understand who the writer is talking to - those particular messages are not for all.
Luke 8:13 actually is the verse I was referring to. Those seeds falling on any soil other than the fertile are not saved. Being transformed spiritually by the Holy Spirit is a change in being, nature and then the sealing by the Holy Spirit is a Holy eternal act. We were bought with a price, we were predestined, we are the ELECT. GOD'S PLAN IS PERFECT - NO FLAWS, NO ERRORS. HE IS FAITHFUL, THE HOLY SPIRIT CONFIRMS OUR ETERNAL RELATIINSHIP WITH HIM. Again, there are many who pretend to be part of the Body, put on a big smile on Sunday, even particulate in good works, evangelism, etc., but have not been baptised by the Holy Spirit. Then the rest of the week they live how they chose, director of their own destiny.Belief in Christ includes doing as Christ says to do, or do you think we can ignore what he tells us we must do, and still call ourselves believers? That's not a rhetorical question, and once you answer it I'll comment further. A dodge doesn't count as an answer and if that happens, no sense in commenting.
I take an overall approach to that, whatever it is exactly, it ain't good.
Good, do you think we need to do good in order to make it to heaven? Or do you pick and choose what part of what Jesus said in order to style the Gospel into what you want it to be? Both pertinent questions that I hope you will answer clearly.
The very reason he is teaching Gods word. Do you not know that is what God told us to do, teach his word, yet when done people are guilty of Judging? Do you think God would tell us to spread his word if it was wrong to do so? And If you will notice, his scripture is directly from the bible...God's word.
The OP judges no one to Hell....that is all Gods doing.
Sure he will, we get saved and decide the world and all it has to offer is better than salvation so we walk away. There is nothing biblical in what you are saying, bur here is scripture on the parable of the sower to prove my end of this:
Luke 8:
13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
The prior scripture was a quote from Jesus, and says differently. Jesus is not going to force anyone who chooses the world over salvation t come back, it defeats the whole purpose of coming to him willingly. God didn't create a bunch of Yes Men robots so he could pretend they love home when they were only forced to do so, he gave them free will to go or stay anytime they please....that is the test of love for God.
Did you not read the scripture he presented? Would you like to discuss them, prove them wrong, or just stick with empty accusations that never really gets down to scripture?
Wrong. Please read a couple or socomments up, the one that starts with "The prior scripture was a quote from Jesus"
Do you understand what being baptized with the Holy Spirit means?Again, there are many who pretend to be part of the Body, put on a big smile on Sunday, even particulate in good works, evangelism, etc., but have not been baptised by the Holy Spirit.
Luke 8:13 actually is the verse I was referring to. Those seeds falling on any soil other than the fertile are not saved.
Probably all except murderers and sorcerers.
It could mean believe intellectually"They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away."
Just about every church today in N.A.Is that what your church is like that you attend?
It could mean believe intellectually
... but not a deep heart belief.
Then, there's the fact that most today do NOT
understand what true saving belief really is!
W/O me going and reading it again ...But why would "temptation" make them fall away from intellectual belief?
Just about every church today in N.A.
has some of these ...
cowardly, unbelieving, abominable,
sexually immoral, idolaters, liars
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