3 Gods in 1?

FanthatSpark said:

Comments on I AM. As Jesus stated before Abraham I Am. Before we get started "Concept" is a major factor to scripture. If one comes to scripture in knowledge acquisition then what is taught by people is what is translated to the mind. Spirit is concept, living God. Pray upon this paragraph for truth..

For me, I AM , translates further back in scripture to Gen:1:3 Let there be Light. Because there is no descriptor for God/Light one thing is apparent. It is the first word made physical and or thought spoken by God...Light. Because this is now a manifestation it is judged by God as Good, Gen:1:4. Thus , I AM is the word Light and "ALL" that is created . Son of man is light. Son of God is light, however, depending on what 40 we are in separates us in translation of the Word. In our separation from Eden the Word is supposed to "eventually" be applied to what type of Spirit we are...Light. When we make a thought physical in speaking or actions this is the same as God did in let there be Light. Son of, is thought made physical & Spiritual. Take Luke:9:54-56 for example. We seek to destroy, kill that which is not understood thus we are confused. Self and God are 2 different Spirits as seen here in this thread by our choice. Some use the Word in knowledge to bludgeon, some understand the Word is meant for self and God to reshape what we thought (alone & gates of hell Matt:16:18 = Pride in knowledge acquisition, let "ME" show you "MY" way which was somebody else's way) made manifest by speech or actions. These are "sons" of man (duality) in choice, thus, the plural of Son (which should not be pluralized ). Pray on all that is written here for truth with God. He does work in concept most of all, Rom:12:2 where concept meets Spirit.

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I think I AM is about God being the Alpha and Omega, Beginning and the End. All encompasing, as in without Him, there is nothing.

It is before the creation of man. It is when and why there is only one God and that God is all.

Its all included Alpha and omega is based upon Light, judged, found Good. From Gen:1;1 to your verse in Rev:22:13 and beyond. The Word has to pick a format, thus adversary. It is for "you & God" to understand the Word must use darkness to talk too darkness "us" Rom:3:10. Try this on for size... 1 John:4:8 connected too 1 John:4:19 further connected to the baptism of the Holy Spirit Matt:16:18. In that time ya felt there was nothing that could not be surmounted through the Father & You together as ....????? One. We give God the glory for the lessons in pain & blessings.

ToBeLoved said:

You could see it that way.

I see living up to my signature line is something that I do for myself and I encourage others to do for themselves. There are many online bible and reference resources available with the internet today.


I went back and look at your posts and I think that you have taken the low road throughout this thread. Not really contributing anything interesting only questioning other people on what they post. I wouldn't call me priceless and sad, turn that pointing finger back at yourself. You are pretty sad. Nothing better to do with your time.

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My posts "if" you had looked at them was answering the OP questions, this is a free forum. I answered mutilple times and at time I do ask questions myself, so far you were the only one to get their feelings hurt, and that was not my intention, I apologise for saying anything further when you decided you had lost the debate and commented I should look up scripture myself, when you had no answer….nothing good has come from that since then. Have a blessed day.

dragongunner said:

My posts "if" you had looked at them was answering the OP questions, this is a free forum. I answered mutilple times and at time I do ask questions myself, so far you were the only one to get their feelings hurt, and that was not my intention, I apologise for saying anything further when you decided you had lost the debate and commented I should look up scripture myself, when you had no answer….nothing good has come from that since then. Have a blessed day.

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Nothing good comes from calling another sad. Then you made fun of my signature line and said I didn't prove anything. I don't think I lost any debate, because I'm not debating with you. I have nothing to prove to you. I don't waste my time with people who have two sentences and ask others to show them something, asking constant questions and do not search for answers and then get insulting. Say something interesting and maybe someone will conversate with you. You have a blessed day too.

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willbill said:

Hello mate.
My name's William, and I struggle dearly with what is referred to as the Trinity - the Tri-Unity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I turned my back on God for roughly a year due to the confusion which originated from this.

The question of "Is Jesus God?" and, "If so, was/is He YHWH from the beginning?" And the Holy Spirit, I just recently been identify Him as a separate Entity; before, the 'Holy Spirit' was just that: the Spirit which is holy, God. But to my realization, He is separate of God YHWH. What it all truly boils down to for me is this: Is Jesus Christ God? The God of the "Old" Testament, the God who sat in the Temple when Solomon had one built. They say, "Jesus is the Son of God," but God does not reproduce in the sense that He had a wife and Jesus is His Son as I am with my own dad. It's metaphorical, right? All of this troubled me SO much that I almost gave up it all - not out of disbelief, but confusion. I thought I wasn't fit, I wasn't one with understanding, for I didn't even know MY OWN GOD. Jesus? YHWH? Simply 'God'? Till this day, I'm still not sure. Who do I pray to? Jesus says, "In the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Okay, in the Name? Like literal Name(s)? In the Name of Jesus who is all three? In Their Name, but to Who? "God"? Thor? No. Who is God, and what is His Name?

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There is nothing preventing you from praying to all three persons of God. So long as you understand that, though they possess unique personhood, they share a single nature. I have and use a prayerbook which contains prayers to the Father, (such as Jesus taught us in the "Lord's Prayer", as well as prayers to the Holy Spirit, like we might pray before reading scripture, or attending a bible study or posting on a Christian forum of some kind for the guidance of the Spirit of God in our words or expressions with others or when we pray for virtue or conversion. These are just examples.. And prayers to Jesus, the son, who pray will be advocate for us to our the Father. The person of the Father is often referred to as the creative person of God. The person of the Son is often referred to as the redeeming person of God, and the Holy Ghost is often referred to as the sanctifying person of God. It's really not necessary to let it trouble you. You can just say God in your prayers and not worry about it. What is important is not understanding the trinity which none of us fully can, (it is a theological mystery), but rather believing that it is true. Accepting that revelation. The world doesn't like to hear about revelation much any more as a valid source of belief, but that is exactly what scripture is. Revelation from God through men, by the power of the Holy Ghost. God reveals Himself as three persons over the course of scripture. It is confirmed in (capital 'T') Christian tradition passed on by Jesus to Apostles, Apostles to Early Fathers, and etc..

Here is a good brief definition of the trinity from the Catholic Encyclopedia, (don't let the word Catholic scare you. This is a terrific resource and bevy of info for all studying Christians:

"The Trinity is the term employed to signify the centraldoctrine of the Christian religion — the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another.

Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: "the Father isGod, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God." In this Trinity of Persons theSon is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent." http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm

This talks to no one yet everyone. In John 5:39-40 are the two 40's . Verse 39 talks of knowledge acquisition through verse (and not mentioned in knowledge acquired is peoples translations of verse put in books & religions ) and is necessary to process that gets us to verse 40. 3 or 1 God manifests in a knowledge format in an impossible means to gain dominion over God in a word linked to another word. It is what we were created for... Name stuff and once named in a word, sentence, paragraph or book, because, we have understanding of the subject we hold dominion over the subject.

3 or 1 is for each individuals...Mind, in process. There is no question (which humors me greatly) in the OP in this format of knowledge acquisition yet we will try to explain the unexplainable. This being a Christian Forum most know the trinity. What is ignored is ...individuality of the process weather it be 3 or 1 as steps in said process which further include the individuals translations taught by people or God. Which brings us to verse 40. In process one either stops listening to people firstly as Spiritual guides and gives all trust to God or they sit at church giving the preacher all trust for people come first to the individuals thinking process. Something fundamental is left out of hierarchy of first love... God or People Rev:2:4 ? Its not to say we do not love people but what order does a person fall under in our individuality of process Luke 14:26? All one can say is personal experiences in this format that the trinity leads to one in the mind where concepts are rapid fire in state of being in what "son" are we. The bible is a means to an end to expand the mind that the Word is not the "be all (verse 39)" but the road too verse 40 turned introspective to self. Which equates to 3 or 1 means nothing to the Spirit as long as the message is received from the book of truth that reaches to all who hear. I have seen trinity believers ate up in the Spirit and 1 God believers ate up in the Spirit, so it is safe to surmise religion has no bearing to Spirit correct? Thus concept of love in hierarchy that people no matter the religion love their God first and foremost that springs out of them in Gal;5:22-23 for God is in 1 Cor:14:33 that He authors no confusion to state of being 1 John 4:19 that manifests in Gal:5:22-23. Anyone experiencing doubt suffers malady taught by gates of hell Matt:16:18 that blocks a man/woman in process including "self's mind" that was taught to seek sin in self that negates Gal 5:22-23 for "someone" taught them to carry guilt. If a man has no doubt in the 3 then this is Gods process and visa versa to 1 that encloses the mind with God...No man. In hopes this edifies in reasoning with God.