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1Ti 4:1 But the Spirit expressly says that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of demons,

G4102 (word Faith)
πίστις
pistis
pis'-tis
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

G868 (word shall depart)
ἀφίστημι
aphistēmi
af-is'-tay-mee
From G575 and G2476; to remove, that is, (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.: - depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.

This sounds like they walked away from the faith. I'm kinda like what the.
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The Shorter Catechism question 4 gives us the attributes of god.

Question: What is God?

Answer: God is a Spirit,a infinite,B eternal,C and unchangeable,D in his being,E wisdom,f power,G holiness,h justice, goodness, and truth.i

a. John 4:24. b. Job 11:7–9. c. Ps. 90:2. d. James 1:17. e. Exod 3:14. f. Ps. 147:5. g. Rev. 4:8. h. Rev. 15:4. i. Exod. 34:6–7.


If you believe the Bible is the written word of God, it also must be truth. If it is truth it will not state one thing and then contradict itself. There are NO contradictions in God's Word. If there seems to be, it is only because we do not understand what is being said and further study is required.


Now as to 1 Tim 4:1.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,


Here is what the Bible says concerning salvation.

Ro 8:30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Ro 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.

Co 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ro 8:17 ¶ And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Joh 17:24 ¶ Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.


Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter XI of Justification, Paragraph 5.

God doth continue to forgive the sins of those that are justified;a and, although they can never fall from the state of justification,b yet they may, by their sins, fall under God's fatherly displeasure, and not have the light of His countenance restored unto them, until they humble themselves, confess their sins, beg pardon, and renew their faith and repentance.

a. Matt. 6:12; 1 John 1:7, 9; 2:1–2. b. Luke 22:32; John 10:28; Heb. 10:14. c. Ps 89:31–33; 51:7–12; 32:5; Matt. 26:75; 1 Cor. 11:30, 32; Luke 1:20.


Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter XII, On Adoption, Paragraph 1

All those that are justified, God vouchsafeth, in and for His only Son Jesus Christ, to make partakers of the grace of adoption,a by which they are taken into the number, and enjoy the liberties and privileges of the children of God,b have His name put upon them,c receive the spirit of adoption,d have access to the throne of grace with boldness,e are enabled to cry, Abba, Father,f are pitied,g protected,h provided for,i and chastened by Him as by a Father:j yet never cast off,k but sealed to the day of redemption;l and inherit the promises,m as heirs of everlasting salvation.n

a. Eph. 1:5; Gal. 4:4–5. b. Rom. 8:17; John 1:12. c. Jer. 14:9; 2 Cor. 6:18; Rev. 3:12. d. Rom. 8:15. e. Eph. 3:12; Rom. 5:2. f. Gal. 4:6. g. Ps. 103:13. h. Prov. 14:26. i. Matt. 6:30, 32; 1 Pet. 5:7. j. Heb12:6. k. Lam. 3:31. l. Eph. 4:30. m. Heb. 6:12. n. 1 Pet. 1:3–4; Heb. 1:14.


Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter XIII, On Sanctification,
Paragraph 1

They, who are once effectually called, and regenerated, having a new heart, and a new spirit created in them, are further sanctified, really and personally, through the virtue of Christ's death and resurrection,a by His Word and Spirit dwelling in them:b the dominion of the whole body of sin is destroyed,c and the several lusts thereof are more and more weakened and mortified;d and they more and more quickened and strengthened in all saving graces,e to the practice of true holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.f

a. 1 Cor. 6:11; Acts 20:32; Phil. 3:10; Rom. 6:5–6. b. John 17:17; Eph. 5:26; 2 Thess. 2:13. c. Rom. 6:6, 14. d. Gal. 5:24; Rom. 8:13. e. Col. 1:11; Eph. 3:16–19. f. 2 Cor. 7:1; Heb. 12:14.


And lastly, the John Gill commentary of 1 Tim 4:1;

that in the latter times some should depart from the faith; that is, from the doctrine of faith, notwithstanding it is indisputably the great mystery of godliness, as it is called in the latter part of the preceding chapter; for from the true grace of faith there can be no final and total apostasy, such as is here designed; for that can never be lost. It is of an incorruptible nature, and therefore more precious than gold that perishes; Christ is the author and finisher of it; his prevalent mediation is concerned for it; it is a gift of special grace, and is without repentance; it springs from electing grace, and is secured by it; and between that and salvation there is an inseparable connection; it may indeed decline, be very low, and lie dormant, as to its acts and exercise, but not be lost: there is a temporary faith, and a persuasion of truth, or a mere assent to it, which may be departed from, but not that faith which works by love: here it intends a profession of faith, which being made, should be dropped by some; or rather the doctrine of faith, which some would embrace, and then err concerning, or entirely quit, and wholly apostatize from. And they are said to be some, and these many, as they are elsewhere represented, though not all; for the elect cannot be finally and totally deceived; the foundation of election stands sure amidst the greatest apostasy; ...


Salvation is NEVER lost. God said it, that settles it.
 
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Calvin on I Tim 4:1

 
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