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1. Each Bible timeline is contiguous - so then Dan 9 has a 70 week contiguous timeline using day for year method of interpretation.
2. all Apocalyptic timelines use day-for-year.
Bob, the abomination of desolation triggers the great tribulation (Matthew 24:15-20). Which in Daniel 12:11-12, the abomination of desolation is associated with 1290 days and 1335 days.
Are you claiming that that the great tribulation is 1290-1335 years long?
If you look at Jer 30 and 31 and read both chapters together you see the chapters are tied together. In chapter 30 you will see the idea of the time of Jacob's trouble being introduced and he is saved out of it. Chapter 31 starts with at that same time which is speaking of Jacob's trouble and works its way to the promised of the new covenant beginning in verse 31.The coming of Christ is the focus of the prophecy in Daniel 9 - and "God so loved the World" that He gave... not just "God so loved the Jews that He gave".
But it also dealt with probation for the Jewish nation "Behold your house is left to you desolate" is the warning Christ gives in Matt 23.
If you look at Jer 30 and 31 and read both chapters together you see the chapters are tied together. In chapter 30 you will see the idea of the time of Jacob's trouble being introduced and he is saved out of it.
Jesus certainly instituted the new covenant and plainly said so
Bob, as I am reading the bottom chart, it indicates that the great tribulation ended in 1843/44.The 1260 years of dark ages was future to Christ's day.
There was also the destruction of Jerusalem - future to Christ's day.
There was an abomination of desolation "sign" given just before Jerusalem was destroyed. And thus all the Christians were spared from it.
The 1290 and 1335 are all tied to the 1260 according to Daniel 12
7 And I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish smashing the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed. 8 But as for me, I heard but did not understand; so I said, “My lord, what will be the outcome of these events?” 9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for these words will be kept secret and sealed up until the end time. 10 Many will be purged, cleansed, and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand. 11 And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who is patient and attains to the 1,335 days! 13 But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will rest and rise for your allotted portion at the end of the age.”
Might be easier to read/see here
As far as I can tell, that can't be provided because it doesn't exist. While the day-is-a-year idea in regards to Daniel 7:25, 8:14, and 12:11-12 was a very popular viewpoint among the Reformers (though apparently not at the very beginning of the Reformation--I don't think Luther, Calvin, or Zwingli used it), there was little unanimity in regards to an actual timeline among those who believed in it.Information duly noted. When someone can provide the reformers timeline of events for the time frame expressions for the end times as found in the bible - using the day is a year principle - let me know, and please post it. Perhaps in another thread.
Bob, as I am reading the bottom chart, it indicates that the great tribulation ended in 1843/44.
I don't see the rationale given that the generation (parable of the fig tree) which experiences the great tribulation will not pass without witnessing Jesus's physical return
The 490 years were not one single time period.
Daniel even splits it into 3 groups. 7, 62, and 1.
Cyrus gave the decree in 559, more than enough time for the 49 years (7 weeks), and the 434 years (62 weeks).on the contrary -- it is one timeline hence the term '70 weeks' = 490 days = 490 years.
The only way the number "70" gets here is that it is a 70 weeks of years timeline.
24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the wrongdoing, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place. 25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince,
No doubt that different things happen at various points along that one single time line -- and yet it is a single 70 weeks of years - timeline.
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which disproves the argument you are trying to make - when does the 7 weeks end and the 62 week segment begin? are they two timelines 1000 years apart?
We have 457 B.C as the start of the 70 weeks – and then 69-weeks-of-years later in 27A.D Christ is baptized .. in the midst of that last set of 7 years Christ is crucified – and at the end of that 7 years Stephen is stoned.
answer: no! Even in your comment these are back to back and there is no segment of "unknown time" inserted between them. So while the one 70 weeks-of-years timeline has different events happening at various points along that 70-weeks-of-years timeline - it is still one 70-weeks-of-years timeline
Cyrus gave the decree in 559, more than enough time for the 49 years (7 weeks), and the 434 years (62 weeks).
I understand the 483 years ends at the Baptism of the Messiah. The 490 years does not. The 490 years does not end in 30AD, nor 33AD.Ezra says that "the decree" is tri-part "the decree" of 3 kings - was needed to fulfill the "command of God" -
"And they finished building following the command of the God of Israel and the decree of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia." Ezra 6:7. Not until the decree of Artaxerxes was given to Israel in 457B.C does that timeline start and it perfectly meshes with the start of Christ's ministry in 27 A.D. 483 years later (at the start of the 70th week of years)
1. All Bible timelines are contiguous.
2. All Apocalyptic timelines use the day-for-year method.
Super easy because it applies across the board and they are simple obvious rules given that everyone already admits that Daniel 9 is using day-for-year in the 70-weeks-of-years.
I understand the 483 years ends at the Baptism of the Messiah. The 490 years does not.
Daniel says the Messiah was cut off,
I am looking at that 1335 year span appearing to end on 1843/44.It looks like it shows the Dan 12:7, Dan 7, Rev 11 and Rev 13;5 trib to end in 1798 -- to me
It never says the 70th week was ever prophecied at any time.Agreed. the 490 year timeline would not end after 483 years -- which is A.D. 27 rather it would continue to 490 years - which is A.D. 34.
That is where we differ.
True - so does Isaiah 53
Is 53
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9 And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
The crucifixion of Christ happens in the midst of that last 7 year segment of the 490 year timeline that ends in 34 A.D.
(The text does not say the timeline was cut off - but the Messiah was cut off)
It never says the 70th week was ever prophecied at any time.
The Jews of the first century did not think it made sense either. They did not even accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah. They did not even accept Daniel as a prophet.No text says the 70 weeks are spliced apart and gaps of unknown lengths of time are inserted into the timeline only to still be called "70 weeks of years" -- that is not logical.
No text says the 70 weeks are spliced apart and gaps of unknown lengths of time are inserted into the timeline only to still be called "70 weeks of years" -- that is not logical.
The Jews of the first century did not think it made sense either.
on the contrary -- it is one timeline hence the term '70 weeks' = 490 days = 490 years.
The only way the number "70" gets here is that it is a 70 weeks of years timeline.
24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the wrongdoing, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place. 25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince,
No doubt that different things happen at various points along that one single time line -- and yet it is a single 70 weeks of years - timeline.
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which disproves the argument you are trying to make - when does the 7 weeks end and the 62 week segment begin? are they two timelines 1000 years apart?
We have 457 B.C as the start of the 70 weeks – and then 69-weeks-of-years later in 27A.D Christ is baptized .. in the midst of that last set of 7 years Christ is crucified – and at the end of that 7 years Stephen is stoned.
answer: no! Even in your comment these are back to back and there is no segment of "unknown time" inserted between them. So while the one 70 weeks-of-years timeline has different events happening at various points along that 70-weeks-of-years timeline - it is still one 70-weeks-of-years timeline
That is your interpretation.And there is no Bible basis for it.
1. Messiah coming at the end of the 483 years does not need the novel "insert" of slicing off the last week and inserting a gap of "undefined length of time" into the 490 years still calling it 490 years.
2. There is no indication from Christ or any NT writer than anyone in the first century even imagined such a thing to be true.
3. The term "70" in the 70 weeks only works as a single timeline where various events happen all along that span of 490 years.
That is your interpretation.
Daniel's interpretation says there was 49 years after the decree. Then there were 434 years of Jerusalem being a restored city. That is where Daniel stops, at 483 years.
490 year timeline - a perfect fit with no gaps
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