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This seems the opposite of what you said before.Exactly. I want to know. At this point it seems unlikely, but I have no idea. If they didnt then rhey screwed up in far more ways than one.
I totally agree. He had a full right to defend himself and his home if he had no idea. And the police had a right o defend themselves as well. However, they caused this and should pay the penalty for killing an innocent t man who was just trying to protect himself from an intruder.
It still doesn't give the homeowner a right to pull a gun on actual police. Especially if they are in uniform and have police written all over them.
The police have to have some sort of avenue to enter a house legally and take people into custody, search it etc. If an owner pulls a gun in them during the process they have to have the right to shoot. Period.
And the way to do that is by doing everything they can to identify themselves as police. Verbal and uniforms.
If they go into the wrong house then that's on them. The individual officer may or may not be culpable in a shooting like that if it's the wrong house and he doesn't know. But the leader is responsible for making sure they are at the right place.
In what world is a stolen $150 landscaping device a "wake up the Swat team and let's move! bravo charlie delta, I got your six watch for tangos!!" scenario?
That PD shouldn't have a SWAT.Maybe it is like my low crime suburb where the local PD spends most of its time ticketing speeders in school zones and stopping people of color driving ratty cars. A chance to investigate a theft could make the police raring to go to do so real policing and make sure the SWAT truck still runs. Hard to believe, but there are pockets of America where stealing a weed-eater is a pretty big deal. If you only have two weed-eaters stolen in a year and make a arrest retrieving one of them, you have brought the crime rate down 50%. That is good press.
I live in one such community...where there's no "big crime".Maybe it is like my low crime suburb where the local PD spends most of its time ticketing speeders in school zones and stopping people of color driving ratty cars. A chance to investigate a theft could make the police raring to go to do so real policing and make sure the SWAT truck still runs. Hard to believe, but there are pockets of America where stealing a weed-eater is a pretty big deal. If you only have two weed-eaters stolen in a year and make a arrest retrieving one of them, you have brought the crime rate down 50%. That is good press.
Its kentuckey.. wont get [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]Sounds like someone in his family will be getting a huge settlement
If Police enter a house uninvited they MUST be in full gear and be announcing themselves before crossing rhe threshold and consistently afterwards.I'm wondering what kind of scenario you have in your mind.
What we see happening in case after case is that the person in the house does not know it's the police. The police open fire before they could be recognized.
Its not. If no one is telling him they are rhe police then he has a right to grab a gun. That's why every thing has to be in place. Verbal announcements as well as full police gear.This seems the opposite of what you said before.
Looks like you got edited. If it’s as bad as the reports (wrong house, no search warrant, cops were out of their jurisdiction) being in Kentucky won’t save themIts kentuckey.. wont get [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]
I think you might have missed it earlier, but I mentioned this. An 11 pm raid over a weed whacker is inexcusable. A raid at all for this is not right in my opinion. Go knock on the guys door during the day and show him the warrant and he has to let you in.I know you and I tend to have lots of points of agreement here on CF, but this isn't one of them lol.
If it's late at night, and I'm awoken by people busting down my door "let me check and validate their credentials" isn't the first thing on my mind...
Not to mention, it's a stolen weed whacker. It's not like we're talking about "hey, we've got a confirmed location on El Chapo, we need to move on this intel ASAP". Why is that 11:30pm business that needs to be acted on immediately?
In what world is a stolen $150 landscaping device a "wake up the Swat team and let's move! bravo charlie delta, I got your six watch for tangos!!" scenario?
My cousin had an actual car stolen, and the police response was "we can take a statement now, and a detective will contact you on Monday"
Not in this case, they were at the wrong house, and if reports are true, were outside their jurisdictionI think you might have missed it earlier, but I mentioned this. An 11 pm raid over a weed whacker is inexcusable. A raid at all for this is not right in my opinion. Go knock on the guys door during the day and show him the warrant and he has to let you in.
Tons of mistakes in this case. I was simply addressing the time frame and offense.Not in this case, they were at the wrong house, and if reports are true, were outside their jurisdiction
Even if they are announcing themselves, if they're executing a raid at nearly midnight, it's reasonable to assume that the occupant of the house may be asleep and thus may not hear/comprehend the announcements immediately. If I'm woken up by the crash of my door breaking down, the first thing I'm doing is grabbing a gun (if I have one).If Police enter a house uninvited they MUST be in full gear and be announcing themselves before crossing rhe threshold and consistently afterwards.
The silent treatment is a big no. Thats all they have. What else are they supposed to do. How else do they tell whomever is inside that they are the police?
Thats why i said those raids should be limited to serious felons.Even if they are announcing themselves, if they're executing a raid at nearly midnight, it's reasonable to assume that the occupant of the house may be asleep and thus may not hear/comprehend the announcements immediately. If I'm woken up by the crash of my door breaking down, the first thing I'm doing is grabbing a gun (if I have one).
I liked serving search warrants during the day time but there were only four of us on the task force and usually only two of us in any one county. The state police tactical team that assisted us like to serve them at night, usually around 5am. This meant rushing in and securing the dwelling very quickly before anyone had a chance to respond. Someone would turn on a siren as we hit the door and we were yelling “ Police, search warrant “Even if they are announcing themselves, if they're executing a raid at nearly midnight, it's reasonable to assume that the occupant of the house may be asleep and thus may not hear/comprehend ec announcements immediately. If I'm woken up by the crash of my door breaking down, the first thing I'm doing is grabbing a gun (if I have one).
Again, think through the scenario. You're dead asleep in your bedroom. You are startled awake by vague shouting and then the front door of the house is violently shattered.Its not. If no one is telling him they are rhe police then he has a right to grab a gun. That's why every thing has to be in place. Verbal announcements as well as full police gear.
When they start out wrong, everything after that is also wrong. Everything they did precipitated the suspect approaching his door with a gun in his hand.I think you might have missed it earlier, but I mentioned this. An 11 pm raid over a weed whacker is inexcusable. A raid at all for this is not right in my opinion. Go knock on the guys door during the day and show him the warrant and he has to let you in.
And that obviates what you said earlier.Thats why i said those raids should be limited to serious felons.
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