Young Nun Defends Vagina Monologues

[Caedmon]

... and she wears a habit:

http://www.bustedhalo.com/features/RememberingV-DayDefendingtheVaginaMonologues.htm

 

[NDIrish]

Lesson of the story: even young nuns wearing habits can be idiots.

 

[Caedmon]

So you don't think she has a point about being able to vent about secrets like those associated with sexual abuse?

 

[NDIrish]

There's a time and a place for everything...I don't think "The Vagina Monligues" is either...it's pathetically disgusting.

 

[QuantaCura]

There's a time and a place for everything...I don't think "The Vagina Monligues" is either...it's pathetically disgusting.

Yes, time, place, and MANNER to discuss serious topics in the context of true morality and God-given values. The VMs fail in every regard.

If you follow that website too closely you too will end up with a busted halo--which is I think what some angels had after their big head first fall.

 

[Caedmon]

Yes, time, place, and MANNER to discuss serious topics in the context of true morality and God-given values. The VMs fail in every regard.

If you follow that website too closely you too will end up with a busted halo--which is I think what some angels had after their big head first fall.

Hahaha, and just how much time have you spent reading the site, mister?? I like the Paulist Fathers' mission and their priests, and I read their site's literature regularly. There's some articles I don't like, but it's just a matter of preference. For instance, I can't stand the love advice columnist, but that's another matter altogether.

 

[Globalnomad]

Lesson of the story: even young nuns wearing habits can be idiots.

Before calling that nun an idiot, would you like to read her article with the attention it deserves, and have a try at answering her question:

"The Vagina Monologues instead celebrates the beauty of the vagina, in direct contrast to the message that women have often had to internalize— that it is dirty and not to be touched. For the first time, women have a public forum in which to process their experience in a mature way. So, I am left with the question: Why has The Vagina Monologues—which isn’t intended to be sexually arousing or gratuitously vulgar—been protested by a vocal minority of Catholics when it has been offered on Catholic campuses? I wonder if the fully-cassocked seminarians who often participate in these protests understand the pain that many women carry because their sexuality is often denigrated, abused, and defiled? Do they have any sense of the experiences of women that brought the Monologues into existence?"

But perhaps it is too much to ask of you. I see you are a man. I am afraid it is very difficult for any man to be qualified to judge this play, or this problem.... except for counsellors of sex-abuse victims, and urologists who specialise in the delicate surgical technique of repairing vaginas that are torn to shreds by violent rape.

Where I am right now - and no, I won't tell you where - there are hundreds of cases of women having been raped in front of their families, or abducted and subjected to multiple rape, by enemy gangs - and when they get home, their fathers and husbands kick them out because they feel dishonoured by having these women back in the family.

As long as there is a single man in the world idiot enough to feel that way, you have no right, NIrish or whoever, to call that nun an idiot.

 

[QuantaCura]

Hahaha, and just how much time have you spent reading the site, mister?? I like the Paulist Fathers' mission and their priests, and I read their site's literature regularly. There's some articles I don't like, but it's just a matter of preference. For instance, I can't stand the love advice columnist, but that's another matter altogether.

While there are some good things on there, there are also some really bad things--such as comparing the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass to a campfire meal where we share family stories and saying it's no big deal if the Eucharist is dropped. The most dangerous sources are those that mix in really destructive ideas within the true ones.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Before calling that nun an idiot, would you like to read her article with the attention it deserves, and have a try at answering her question:

"The Vagina Monologues instead celebrates the beauty of the vagina, in direct contrast to the message that women have often had to internalize— that it is dirty and not to be touched. For the first time, women have a public forum in which to process their experience in a mature way. So, I am left with the question: Why has The Vagina Monologues—which isn’t intended to be sexually arousing or gratuitously vulgar—been protested by a vocal minority of Catholics when it has been offered on Catholic campuses? I wonder if the fully-cassocked seminarians who often participate in these protests understand the pain that many women carry because their sexuality is often denigrated, abused, and defiled? Do they have any sense of the experiences of women that brought the Monologues into existence?"

But perhaps it is too much to ask of you. I see you are a man. I am afraid it is very difficult for any man to be qualified to judge this play, or this problem.... except for counsellors of sex-abuse victims, and urologists who specialise in the delicate surgical technique of repairing vaginas that are torn to shreds by violent rape.

Where I am right now - and no, I won't tell you where - there are hundreds of cases of women having been raped in front of their families, or abducted and subjected to multiple rape, by enemy gangs - and when they get home, their fathers and husbands kick them out because they feel dishonoured by having these women back in the family.

As long as there is a single man in the world idiot enough to feel that way, you have no right, NIrish or whoever, to call that nun an idiot.

I agree with your post, Globalnomad. The behavior that you describe is horrible as it is outrageous, and it should not be shrugged off. The problems that lead to that behavior come from the difficulties that men have in understanding women. If more men would read the Vagina monologues, we might get a glimpse of what we are missing.

If history and anthropology has taught us anything, it is that a man cannot make a woman love him, and this inability leads to frustration and violence, fear, degradation and the other things that you have mentioned. Love begins with the woman. If she has love for the man, then the relationship can grow, if she does not then there is nothing that the man can do. Men need to stop going after women to subdue them or dominate them. The command is for husbands to love their wives, because the women do not need to be reminded to love, they already do, unless the man chases it out of her.

Men need to try more understanding of women, rather than the command and control mentality prevalent in the world today. Women are not property to be owned, but a gift to be cherished.

 

[SolomonVII]

well, I don't know. If the girls of OBOB really want to carry on a public discussion about their vaginas with Caedmon, I guess it's okay.

I suppose I am a bit of a prude on these matters though. It just seems to me that there are things too intimate and personal. Discussing them in public would leave one just too open and vulnerable. There are just too many people out there that shouldn't be trusted with the most personal and intimate details of your life.

For sure the nun's brothers may have been able to talk about their penises, but likely in the most inpersonal of ways, as boys normally would do. Being crude can be fun.

In the end though, they are probably called one's private parts for a reason. some things are proably best not being discussed in a public forum.

 

[holyorders]

"The Vagina Monologues instead celebrates the beauty of the vagina, in direct contrast to the message that women have often had to internalize— that it is dirty and not to be touched. For the first time, women have a public forum in which to process their experience in a mature way. So, I am left with the question: Why has The Vagina Monologues—which isn’t intended to be sexually arousing or gratuitously vulgar—been protested by a vocal minority of Catholics when it has been offered on Catholic campuses? I wonder if the fully-cassocked seminarians who often participate in these protests understand the pain that many women carry because their sexuality is often denigrated, abused, and defiled? Do they have any sense of the experiences of women that brought the Monologues into existence?"

The problem is not about women talking about their bodies. The problem is women talking about their bodies disrespectfully with vulgarities and therefore (whether they understand or not) celebrate themselves in a perverse way rather than with dignity and honor.

If you pull that "I am a man" stuff with me it won't get anywhere. I have experienced many women in my life who have been raped and otherwise sufficiently damaged. What women need is to be honored and dignified- not have some kind of public show that encourages women to profane their own bodies. Its the kind of thing that makes women feel "liberated" at first but later its an excuse to disrespect the body.

 

[MomWhoThinks]

The problem is not about women talking about their bodies. The problem is women talking about their bodies disrespectfully with vulgarities and therefore (whether they understand or not) celebrate themselves in a perverse way rather than with dignity and honor.

If you pull that "I am a man" stuff with me it won't get anywhere. I have experienced many women in my life who have been raped and otherwise sufficiently damaged. What women need is to be honored and dignified- not have some kind of public show that encourages women to profane their own bodies. Its the kind of thing that makes women feel "liberated" at first but later its an excuse to disrespect the body.

Amen to that. Much like inappropriate contentography, abortion, birth control and other devices that claim to liberate women, what actually happenes is women because used and debased.... by men.

 

[ProCommunioneFacior]

The problem is not about women talking about their bodies. The problem is women talking about their bodies disrespectfully with vulgarities and therefore (whether they understand or not) celebrate themselves in a perverse way rather than with dignity and honor.

If you pull that "I am a man" stuff with me it won't get anywhere. I have experienced many women in my life who have been raped and otherwise sufficiently damaged. What women need is to be honored and dignified- not have some kind of public show that encourages women to profane their own bodies. Its the kind of thing that makes women feel "liberated" at first but later its an excuse to disrespect the body.

If women want to learn about their dignity and celebrate it, there are many things that can be done, for instance reading Pope John Paul II's Mulieris Dignitatem, Dr. Alice von Hildebrand's writings, Katrina Zeno's writings,etc.

The Vagina Monologues are perverse, I'm sorry but I'm not buying it that the V-Monologues somehow increase the dignity of the woman, not buying it one bit.

I am sure that Mary would be appalled at such immodesty.

If a woman wants to recognize her true dignity be a student of Mary not a student of some ultra-feminist.

 

[Xpycoctomos]

how many people here have actually seen the Vagina Monologues? (not read articles on it or talked to a really good friend who saw it... but really actually went to it) I don't think it is all good and wholesome, but I think it has many very positive elements to it.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Amen to that. Much like inappropriate contentography, abortion, birth control and other devices that claim to liberate women, what actually happenes is women because used and debased.... by men.

truer words are rarely spoken.

 

[ProCommunioneFacior]

By the way I read what the Sister said. Although I don't agree with her approval of the V-Monologues as I believe parts of the V-Monologues to be immoral and perverse she does bring up many good points.

Having said that, I think the best way of counteracting much of what she said is people learning NFP and the Theology of the Body. The woman and her husband will learn about the intricacies of the woman body, the masterpiece that it is, they will see how sacred the body is (not dirty) and thus the reason why the body should be reserved for the sacred moments of marriage and why it should be veiled.

NFP builds up, the V-Monologues only debase.

 

[Tigg]

well, I don't know. If the girls of OBOB really want to carry on a public discussion about their vaginas with Caedmon, I guess it's okay.

I suppose I am a bit of a prude on these matters though. It just seems to me that there are things too intimate and personal. Discussing them in public would leave one just too open and vulnerable. There are just too many people out there that shouldn't be trusted with the most personal and intimate details of your life.

For sure the nun's brothers may have been able to talk about their penises, but likely in the most inpersonal of ways, as boys normally would do. Being crude can be fun.

In the end though, they are probably called one's private parts for a reason. some things are proably best not being discussed in a public forum.

I agree with you. I don't go around talking about my or anyone else's vagina's, nor penis's. There are a lot of body parts I don't talk about. My belly button has never come up in conversation. Lol.

I did read the article and TY Caedmon. Lots of points I agree with. But I haven't read The Vagina Monologues. I might and maybe not. Will go a googling. The Sister speaks well.

-Peace-

 

[holyorders]

how many people here have actually seen the Vagina Monologues? (not read articles on it or talked to a really good friend who saw it... but really actually went to it) I don't think it is all good and wholesome, but I think it has many very positive elements to it.

I saw a video of it before I went Catholic.

 

[Tigg]

I saw a video of it before I went Catholic.

Yeppers, a play that received "the Obie Award-winning episodic play written by Eve Ensler.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vagina_Monologues

I don't believe I will take the opportunity, if that comes along, to go see it.

-Peace-

 

[NDIrish]

For those who support "The Vagina Monilogues", please read the link below, and explain to me how:

1. This is in any way, shape or form compatable with Catholic belief on the dignity of the woman.

2. This does not degrade women, in general?

As I said, it's disgusting.

A description of the Vagina Monilogues

Also, on the site I just linked to, on the right hand site is a link to some nice quotes from the VM about the dignity of women!