Would you shoot a home invader?

[brinny]

nice story but its not quite the same as somebody entering your house with the objective of killing or maiming you and your family.
Drunks in doorways isnt the same as what can be encountered today.
Been enlightening cya.

amen.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
the only one here who finds violence an acceptable option is the one planning evil from the gitgo.

And yet you don't see that evil has won when you drop to using violence in response? That' you've spent the whole thread saying "violence is an acceptable way of dealing with evil"?

"He did it first" is a primary school playground excuse.

God abhors evil. We are mandated to as well, and not make excuses for the evil-doer. That's a twisting askew of righteousness and a mis-carriage of justice.

 

[ebia]

nice story but its not quite the same as somebody entering your house with the objective of killing or maiming you and your family.
Drunks in doorways isnt the same as what can be encountered today.
Been enlightening cya.

Would it help if I did have a story that involved somebody breaking into someone's house? I suspect not - you can always find some some basis on which to disregard something you don't want to hear.

 

[brinny]

God speaks on righteousness and justice throughout His Word. He abhors injustice and unrighteousness. It is written. THose who condemn the one done wrong to is contributing to and aiding and abetting the evil-doer.

 

[The Penitent Man]

He puts in charge those who protect the innocent.

In a perfect world that would be true, but in this fallen world those who are *supposedly* put charge by God do not protect the innocent. A fallen world like this one would never allow God to appoint its leaders.

 

[ebia]

God abhors evil. We are mandated to as well, and not make excuses for the evil-doer. That's a twisting askew of righteousness and a mis-carriage of justice.

Quit building strawmen - nobody (at least on this side of the debate) has made excuses for the evil-doer or said evil does not matter.

 

[The Penitent Man]

Originally Posted by brinny
self defense is not evil, nor is defending and protecting thiose who cannot defend nor protect themselves.

I agree with this statement 100%. Just wanted you to know, brinny.

 

[brinny]

Would it help if I did have a story that involved somebody breaking into someone's house? I suspect not - you can always find some some basis on which to disregard something you don't want to hear.

Not recognizing the quandry of someone facing a perpetrator who pre-meditatedly planned harm and destruction, is a mis-carriage of God's justice and a spurning of His righteousness.

tHe criminal here is not the one this happened to, but the one doing the evil.

:o

 

[The Penitent Man]

Quit building strawmen - nobody (at least on this side of the debate) has made excuses for the evil-doer or said evil does not matter.

God abhors evil but mankind is in a steady committed relationship with evil. Mankind and evil are lovers.

 

[ebia]

Not recognizing the quandry of someone facing a perpetrator who pre-meditatedly planned harm and destruction, is a mis-carriage of God's justice and a spurning of His righteousness.

tHe criminal here is not the one this happened to, but the one doing the evil.

Let me know when you are ready to address something I've actually been saying instead of your straw-men.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
God abhors evil. We are mandated to as well, and not make excuses for the evil-doer. That's a twisting askew of righteousness and a mis-carriage of justice.

Quit building strawmen - nobody (at least on this side of the debate) has made excuses for the evil-doer or said evil does not matter.

Did i miss the post where you spoke on behalf of those being targeted by evil? :o

 

[The Penitent Man]

Would it help if I did have a story that involved somebody breaking into someone's house? I suspect not - you can always find some some basis on which to disregard something you don't want to hear.

Absolutely. An alcoholic is a master at finding reasons why it's okay for him to drink, and equally adept at dismissing reasons for him to not drink.

 

[brinny]

Putting those under a microscope who are faced with a dire situation, where time is of the essence is twisted and wrong. Criminals are not sacred cows who must never be touched, no matter what, even at the expense of one's family, who they are mandated to protect.

God commanded us to not put any other gods before Him.

 

[The Penitent Man]

Originally Posted by brinny
the only one here who finds violence an acceptable option is the one planning evil from the gitgo.

Violence is sometimes neccesary, but if we enjoy it too much it becomes the default mode of our thinking. How tempting it is to think that violence is *always* the solution. We teach our kids not to fight in school and on the playground but the adult world glorifies violence. The more gratuitous, the better. The bloodier, the better.

 

[ebia]

Did i miss the post where you spoke on behalf of those being targeted by evil? :o

I've tried to stick to what the thread is about; if you have a question please ask. I have repeatedly said that evil is not okay, that God in Jesus has acted against evil and will consumate that judgement, and that we are called to participate in his work, to follow him. None of that is in question - what is in question is what is and what is not appropriate in our trying to do that.

Putting those under a microscope who are faced with a dire situation, where time is of the essence is twisted and wrong.

Another straw-man.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
the only one here who finds violence an acceptable option is the one planning evil from the gitgo.

Violence is sometimes neccesary, but if we enjoy it too much it becomes the default mode of our thinking. How tempting it is to think that violence is *always* the solution. We teach our kids not to fight in school and on the playground but the adult world glorifies violence. The more gratuitous, the better. The bloodier, the better.

Did anyone on this thread say they "enjoy" violence? The one in their home, being faced with a crisis they did not welcome or ask for, does not "enjoy" violence. The one breaking in, perhaps does, and most likely has blood on their hands from a history of violence. They are "seeking" ways to impose violence on the innocent.

 

[brinny]

I've tried to stick to what the thread is about; if you have a question please ask. I have repeatedly said that evil is not okay, that God in Jesus has acted against evil and will consumate that judgement, and that we are called to participate in his work, to follow him. None of that is in question - what is in question is what is and what is not appropriate in our trying to do that.


Another straw-man.

Putting evil on a pedestal is the antithesis of the character of God.

 

[ebia]

Putting evil on a pedestal is the antithesis of the character of God.

Another straw-man - nobody is putting evil on a pedestal.

 

[wayseer]

Did anyone on this thread say they "enjoy" violence? The one in their home, being faced with a crisis they did not welcome or ask for, does not "enjoy" violence. The one breaking in, perhaps does, and most likely has blood on their hands from a history of violence. They are "seeking" ways to impose violence on the innocent.

Indeed. But using violence in return does not solve the problem. Imposes death sentences on murders has never resulted in lowering the murder rate.

Jesus said something about turning the other cheek, going the extra mile, giving one coat as well as his shirt.

The use of violence can be justified quick readily and easily. The alternative is somewhat harder.

The whole temptation pericope demonstrates the power Jesus could have used but chose not to. His whole life's work was to demonstrate that there is another way other than following the perpetual cycle of violence.

The danger is that once one convinces themselves that violence is acceptable then alternatives are no longer viably considered.

 

[brinny]

Indeed. But using violence in return does not solve the problem. Imposes death sentences on murders has never resulted in lowering the murder rate.

Jesus said something about turning the other cheek, going the extra mile, giving one coat as well as his shirt.

The use of violence can be justified quick readily and easily. The alternative is somewhat harder.

The whole temptation pericope demonstrates the power Jesus could have used but chose not to. His whole life's work was to demonstrate that there is another way other than following the perpetual cycle of violence.

The danger is that once one convinces themselves that violence is acceptable then alternatives are no longer viably considered.

Why did His disciples carry swords? Why did He allow such a thing? Why did He tell His disciples to go buy swords?