Why were there certain "books" left out of the Holy Bible?
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This can't be true. The First Council of Nicaea convened around AD325, yet we have thousands of manuscripts dating back well before then which are consistent with the Bible we have today.
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Actually, none of these are contradictions. Briefly...
1. Genealogy *can* be traced through a surrogate dad. Matthew obviously did it. Besides, this isn't contradictory.
2. Judas. Both accounts are true. It's likely that he hanged himself from a tree, the limb broke, and he fell.
3. Temptation. The words translated "test" and "tempt" come from the same word, so context must determine what is meant. It's translated "tempt" if there's an evil intention, but it's translated "test" if there's no such intention. Also, I suggest that you look at translations that are a bit more accurate than the KJV. The NKJV, HCSB, and ESV all properly translate the Genesis passage as "test" instead of "tempt".
4. If the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crowed 3 times, then it obviously crowed twice. I have two kids (but I also have one).
5. Why do you think the verses you quoted about Moses' personality form a contradiction?
6. The father of Joseph was Jacob, per Matthew. The passage in Luke is tracing Mary's line. Again, you'd know this by looking at a more accurate translation. The words "the son of" throughout the Luke passage are not in the original text.
There are lots of lists of supposed contradictions all over the place, but when you put a little time into investigating them, and when you take into account what's in the original text, you find that they mostly disappear.
1. Genealogy *can* be traced through a surrogate dad. Matthew obviously did it. Besides, this isn't contradictory.
2. Judas. Both accounts are true. It's likely that he hanged himself from a tree, the limb broke, and he fell.
3. Temptation. The words translated "test" and "tempt" come from the same word, so context must determine what is meant. It's translated "tempt" if there's an evil intention, but it's translated "test" if there's no such intention. Also, I suggest that you look at translations that are a bit more accurate than the KJV. The NKJV, HCSB, and ESV all properly translate the Genesis passage as "test" instead of "tempt".
4. If the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crowed 3 times, then it obviously crowed twice. I have two kids (but I also have one).
5. Why do you think the verses you quoted about Moses' personality form a contradiction?
6. The father of Joseph was Jacob, per Matthew. The passage in Luke is tracing Mary's line. Again, you'd know this by looking at a more accurate translation. The words "the son of" throughout the Luke passage are not in the original text.
There are lots of lists of supposed contradictions all over the place, but when you put a little time into investigating them, and when you take into account what's in the original text, you find that they mostly disappear.
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1- 6eneology of Christ
Joseph did not have sex with mary, this makes him a Surrogate dad.
You cannot trace the geneology of a child through a Surrogate dad.
In Israel an adopted son WAS your son and was heir equal with any other children. So he was his step dad not his surrogate dad. You made this one up.
2- Judas died how?
A- "And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (MAT 27:5)
B- "And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)
Yes, he hung himself over the edge of the cliff and when the rope broke he plunged headlong and burst asunder. I do not see any contradiction here.
3- Temptation
A- "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)
B- "For God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)
The word translated Tempted in Genesis 22 is the Hebrew word “nacah” which means to test, to try, to prove and is not equal to or mean the same thing as temptation in the sense you are using it so the two passages do not constitute a contradiction.
4- Answering Fools
A- PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
B- PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
A fool here is a simpleton, a dullard, one who is arrogant in their misconceptions. Verse 4 says do not answer them in agreement with their misconceptions and distortion of reality or you will show yourself to be like him. Verse 5 is saying correct him or he will think himself wise in his own eyes.
Secondly, Proverbs are principles not laws or ordinances, thus they do not always apply. The Proverb says a gentle answer turns away wrath but does it always? No! In general, this is a good sound principle to live by but now and then you meet a hardhead who will still punch you in the face.
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6- Moses' personality
NUM 12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth."
NUM 31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves."
What? Your comparison here makes no sense.
7- Who is the father of Joseph?
A- MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary.
B- LUK 3:23 And Jesus the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
We find the first one in Eusibius, Ecclesiastical History, which is an account of the story told to Africanus from allegedly the relatives of Jesus (through Joseph and Mary), which says that Joseph’s mother’s first husband was unable to impregnate his wife with a son and died, and so his brother who had a different father, under lawful obligation according to the Torah, took her as his wife and gave her a son in his deceased brother’s name. Thus both men would be Joseph’s father, one being his biological father (Jacob), and the other his legal father (Heli). Both for religious purpose and for economic purposes such as inheritance.
The second and more widely accepted account however has to do with the fact that in practice a woman is never listed as the final name in a genealogy, even regarding her own ancestry, and that Luke 3:23 is actually Mary’s line (Heli being her father), but her own father having no son, and no brothers to give him one, would have to have to place the name of his son in law (his daughter’s husband) as the name of Jesus father, thus the insertion of the parenthesis (as is supposed) which literally means, “as has been entered into the books”, i.e., the records. The only problem here being a discrepancy with the name legend has ascribed to Mary’s father….Joachim (taken from the fictional Proto-Evangelion of James) which has held on through story telling traditions. The fact is we have no idea what his name was nor her mother’s.
Paul
Joseph did not have sex with mary, this makes him a Surrogate dad.
You cannot trace the geneology of a child through a Surrogate dad.
In Israel an adopted son WAS your son and was heir equal with any other children. So he was his step dad not his surrogate dad. You made this one up.
2- Judas died how?
A- "And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (MAT 27:5)
B- "And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)
Yes, he hung himself over the edge of the cliff and when the rope broke he plunged headlong and burst asunder. I do not see any contradiction here.
3- Temptation
A- "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)
B- "For God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)
The word translated Tempted in Genesis 22 is the Hebrew word “nacah” which means to test, to try, to prove and is not equal to or mean the same thing as temptation in the sense you are using it so the two passages do not constitute a contradiction.
4- Answering Fools
A- PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
B- PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
A fool here is a simpleton, a dullard, one who is arrogant in their misconceptions. Verse 4 says do not answer them in agreement with their misconceptions and distortion of reality or you will show yourself to be like him. Verse 5 is saying correct him or he will think himself wise in his own eyes.
Secondly, Proverbs are principles not laws or ordinances, thus they do not always apply. The Proverb says a gentle answer turns away wrath but does it always? No! In general, this is a good sound principle to live by but now and then you meet a hardhead who will still punch you in the face.
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6- Moses' personality
NUM 12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth."
NUM 31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves."
What? Your comparison here makes no sense.
7- Who is the father of Joseph?
A- MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary.
B- LUK 3:23 And Jesus the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
We find the first one in Eusibius, Ecclesiastical History, which is an account of the story told to Africanus from allegedly the relatives of Jesus (through Joseph and Mary), which says that Joseph’s mother’s first husband was unable to impregnate his wife with a son and died, and so his brother who had a different father, under lawful obligation according to the Torah, took her as his wife and gave her a son in his deceased brother’s name. Thus both men would be Joseph’s father, one being his biological father (Jacob), and the other his legal father (Heli). Both for religious purpose and for economic purposes such as inheritance.
The second and more widely accepted account however has to do with the fact that in practice a woman is never listed as the final name in a genealogy, even regarding her own ancestry, and that Luke 3:23 is actually Mary’s line (Heli being her father), but her own father having no son, and no brothers to give him one, would have to have to place the name of his son in law (his daughter’s husband) as the name of Jesus father, thus the insertion of the parenthesis (as is supposed) which literally means, “as has been entered into the books”, i.e., the records. The only problem here being a discrepancy with the name legend has ascribed to Mary’s father….Joachim (taken from the fictional Proto-Evangelion of James) which has held on through story telling traditions. The fact is we have no idea what his name was nor her mother’s.
Paul
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Yahoo didn't answer anything. A random person on the internet asked a question, and then a random person on the internet responded.
The Roman Empire lasted from the time of Julius Caesar who functioned as dictator for life of the Republic which effectively became Empire when Caesar Augustus took over in the year 27 BC. The Roman Empire came to an end when Constantinople fell to the Ottomans in 1453 AD.
The Roman Empire does not exist, and has not existed since 1453.
Vatican City is what remains from the Papal States. The Papal States were formed after the Lombards seized control of the Duchy of Rome, which was theoretically still part of the Roman ("Byzantine") Empire. With the loss of Roman power in the region the Pope sought protection from the Frankish leader, Pepin. Pepin came into Italy, defeating the Lombards, and gave the lands formerly controlled from Ravenna (which were taken over by the Lombards) to the posession of the Pope, the Donation of Pepin. After Pepin's death, his son Charles became king of the Franks. Charles, in the year 800 was crowned Augustus Romanorum by the Pope, and he is remembered as Charles the Great or Charlemagne.
In neither of these cases was this a "revival" of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire was quite alive and active in the East, under the authority of the Roman Emperor reigning from the capital of Constantinople. The Pope was given civil authority over parts of the Italian peninsula, known as the Papal States of which Vatican City is the last remaining part; and the Frankish Empire, remembered historically as the Holy Roman Empire, was not a revival of anything, but rather an appeal to a new Western power--the Franks--after the collapse of Roman authority in the West.
The Roman Empire collapsed in 1453, and is still dead.
Yes, there are always conspiracy theorists saying all sorts of things. But without anything resembling evidence it's just people saying anything they imagine.
Didn't happen. The Council of Nicea didn't say anything or do anything about the Bible. The Council of Nicea wasn't about the Canon, but rather was dealing with the Christological controversy that originated with Arius, an ex-priest from Egypt.
As have I. I've read a lot of books not in the Bible. Both ancient and contemporary.
The Bible isn't there to teach writing, arithmetic, or microbiology. That's not the point. I wouldn't read Star Wars novels in order to learn about the Russo-Japanese War. That's not the subject matter.
Additionally, many churches DO teach Church History. And if you'd like to learn some, I can even recommend a book or two.
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But the "V" cant use that excuse.
Enoch gave another reason for the flood.
It wasnt sin. It was human overpopulation.
Some say the "V" didnt like that, and other parts like demonizing some angels.
In the Apocalypse of Abraham he is taken up to heaven. The bible leaves this out. The bible leaves A LOT out.
Did it ever occur to you that the Bible doesn't mention it because it didn't happen, and that the Apocalypse of Abraham is a piece of second temple period fiction?
Just because Tolkein wrote the Hobbit doesn't mean it should be included in the Biblical Canon.
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It would appear I have some research to do because I didn't have a clue about any books left out. Thanks for your post 
I'll visit again if/when I find answers! Best advice I have for you now is to read your bible it's full of many answers!
I'll visit again if/when I find answers! Best advice I have for you now is to read your bible it's full of many answers!
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After Cain killed Abel he went to " the east of the garden, to the land of Nod where he got himself a wife ". Many explanations are given for this discrepancy in the Bible but none, except one, makes sense....there were other people around because EVOLUTION is true !
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What discrepancy? The Bible also says that Adam had other sons and daughters besides Cain, Able, and Seth. Add this to the fact that people were living several hundred years, and it's probable that Cain married a (perhaps distant) relative.
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Thanks for the pointer. Here I'm blithely just answering questions. I think it's a bit disingenuous for him to designate his faith as Christian.
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Here's more reading:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...lient=psy-ab&q=gospels+left+out+of+bible&btnK=
Thomas indicates Magdelene married Jesus.
Did Constantine (Nicean Creed) edit the bible
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...1e963747e2511c&bpcl=39650382&biw=1093&bih=520
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...lient=psy-ab&q=gospels+left+out+of+bible&btnK=
Thomas indicates Magdelene married Jesus.
Did Constantine (Nicean Creed) edit the bible
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...1e963747e2511c&bpcl=39650382&biw=1093&bih=520
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