Why Old Earth creationism doesn't work

[friend of]

OE creationism doesn't work because if OE was in fact the case then you'd have to admit that the devil and his fallen angels and demons are all billions of years old.

Would God really allow his nemesis to live for billions of years? I don't think so.

And what would the devil have been doing for all those years? Tempting monkeys to sin? makes no sense!

 

[HTacianas]

OE creationism doesn't work because if OE was in fact the case then you'd have to admit that the devil and his fallen angels and demons are all billions of years old.

Would God really allow his nemesis to live for billions of years? I don't think so.

And what would the devil have been doing for all those years? Tempting monkeys to sin? makes no sense!

There was a time when Satan rebelled against God. If there was a time when Satan rebelled against God then there was a time when Satan was not in rebellion against God. We do not know how long that time was.

 

[d taylor]

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The rebellion happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 plus earth just like water can not be aged determined.

 

[friend of]

There was a time when Satan rebelled against God. If there was a time when Satan rebelled against God then there was a time when Satan was not in rebellion against God. We do not know how long that time was.

Still. God knowing everything why would he allow his nemesis to live that long? It's crazy. Also, genesis describes the creation of the earth in quick succession.

 

[HTacianas]

Still. God knowing everything why would he allow his nemesis to live that long? It's crazy. Also, genesis describes the creation of the earth in quick succession.

Genesis describes a lot of things. Genesis describes the Earth as being formless. It doesn't specify how long the Earth was formless. It then describes the day being separated from the night. But there was no sun. For those and numerous other reasons based on the internal wording of Genesis Origen resolved in 220 AD that the creation account is not six literal days. That's one of the reasons why Christianity has never had a defined teaching on the age of the Earth.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Still. God knowing everything why would he allow his nemesis to live that long? It's crazy. Also, genesis describes the creation of the earth in quick succession.

You can drive yourself crazy trying to understand why God does what He does. The Scripture says His judgments and ways are beyond understanding.

Romans 11:33
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

Ecclesiastes 8:17 ISV
17 I saw all of it as the activity of God. Frankly, a human being cannot understand
what happens on earth, because however hard a man works to discover it, he will not find out.
Despite what he thinks he knows, he will not be able to figure it out.

So while I agree that this is a mystery... we cannot apply our reasoning and logic to what He does and question. Good question tho.

 

[Laodicean60]

This topic is something we'll never know until heaven. I used to be a YE believer and questioned carbon dating years ago. Today's modern science has gotten better and now they say the homo sapien DNA is 200k years old. Maybe there was a gap. Who knows maybe God allowed the gap to let the plants and animals populate the earth for several cycles.

 

[Ephesians321]

The Bible doesn't elucidate between the time of Satan's rebellion and the fall of man. The scriptures speak of the otherworldliness of the spiritual realm in terms, as essentially timeless, where a thousand years is as a day, and vice versa. (Ps. 90:4; II Pet. 3:8, Rev. 20:1-6).

 

[eleos1954]

There was a time when Satan rebelled against God. If there was a time when Satan rebelled against God then there was a time when Satan was not in rebellion against God. We do not know how long that time was.

Satan first rebelled in heaven ... and we have no idea if "time" exists in heaven or not ... what we do know those dwelling there are in an eternal state. Satan and the 1/3 were cast down from heaven out of the eternal state of heaven and since then now subject to death. They will be consumed after the complete judgement of the Lord (sometime after the 2nd resurrection - of all the wicked)

 

[eleos1954]

OE creationism doesn't work because if OE was in fact the case then you'd have to admit that the devil and his fallen angels and demons are all billions of years old.

Would God really allow his nemesis to live for billions of years? I don't think so.

And what would the devil have been doing for all those years? Tempting monkeys to sin? makes no sense!

In the bible we have the genealogy from Adam & Eve (creation of mankind) forward ... a little more than 6,000 years ago according to the genealogy. Some find this difficult to believe. But if you look at the progression of mankind ... it certainly is not necessary for billions/millions of years. This millions/billions of years is required for evolution theory ... not creation.

A critically important theological reason that we cannot add long ages of time before Adam is that it would mean millions of years of animal death, disease, carnivorous behavior, and extinction .... according to scripture death did not enter the world until sin did.

Evolution theory and creation are mutually exclusive.

Evolution theory is based on random happen chance. Far FAR more difficult to believe than creation.

In the real world of scientific observation, as opposed to metaphysical speculation, however, no more complex system can ever "evolve" out of a less complex system, so the probability of the naturalistic origin of even the simplest imaginary form of life is zero.

 

[ARBITER01]

OE creationism doesn't work because if OE was in fact the case then you'd have to admit that the devil and his fallen angels and demons are all billions of years old.

Would God really allow his nemesis to live for billions of years? I don't think so.

And what would the devil have been doing for all those years? Tempting monkeys to sin? makes no sense!

It's the only way that science and the bible start to agree together. If you stick by the young earth creation, then you have to toss out every material thing that science finds that is old that betrays the 6 day creation.

If we begin to look at the pre-adamic creation upon earth as being wiped out by an ice age that lasted thousands and thousands of years, and GOD starting over by re-forming the earth in six days, then things start to fit together and nothing has to be ignored.

 

[Ephesians321]

A critically important theological reason that we cannot add long ages of time before Adam is that it would mean millions of years of animal death, disease, carnivorous behavior, and extinction .... according to scripture death did not enter the world until sin did.

It is only critical by man's tradition that Adam and Eve introduced physical death. I, personally, reject it I believe the death of Adam was a spiritual death and therefore spiritual Resurrection. If Adam and Eve were truly immortal why would they ever need to eat food? Also, God mandated that they and animal kingdom be fruitful and multiply. If nothing ever died and everything is vegetarian it would take no time for the whole Earth to be completely deforested and humankind would literally sharing our living spaces and beds with the animals.

 

[friend of]

It's the only way that science and the bible start to agree together. If you stick by the young earth creation, then you have to toss out every material thing that science finds that is old that betrays the 6 day creation.

If we begin to look at the pre-adamic creation upon earth as being wiped out by an ice age that lasted thousands and thousands of years, and GOD starting over by re-forming the earth in six days, then things start to fit together and nothing has to be ignored.

But Genesis states "In the Beginning"

So the garden had to have been the real Beginning, no?

 

[eleos1954]

It is only critical by man's tradition that Adam and Eve introduced physical death. I, personally, reject it I believe the death of Adam was a spiritual death and therefore spiritual Resurrection. If Adam and Eve were truly immortal why would they ever need to eat food? Also, God mandated that they and animal kingdom be fruitful and multiply. If nothing ever died and everything is vegetarian it would take no time for the whole Earth to be completely deforested and humankind would literally sharing our living spaces and beds with the animals.

No ...its not mans tradition ... it's taught in Genesis ... Adam and Eve ate from the tree of life ... that is what sustained their immortality ... after they sinned that tree was removed ... had it not then sin would have been perpetuated for eternity.

Immortal life is totally dependent on God forever ... even at this earth's close in history we will eat from the tree of life again ... and for eternity. There won't be any sin ... so there won't be any death.

God did later give permission to eat animals within guidelines. Perhaps to keep from them overtaking planet earth ... dunno?

Revelation 22:2-3 tells us that there is a tree of life in heaven.

Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him; (NASB) Rev. 22:1-3

If Adam and Eve hadn't sinned no doubt the Lord would have sustained life ... life is not constrained to planet earth ... there's a whole universe out there ... so vast we can't even comprehend it.

We were originally created to be vegetarians and will end up that way as well.

It was sin that caused death.

 

[Job 33:6]

OE creationism doesn't work because if OE was in fact the case then you'd have to admit that the devil and his fallen angels and demons are all billions of years old.

Would God really allow his nemesis to live for billions of years? I don't think so.

And what would the devil have been doing for all those years? Tempting monkeys to sin? makes no sense!

OEC and YEC suffer from the same hermeneutical issues. The Bible is not a science textbook:

 

[truthpls]

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The rebellion happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 plus earth just like water can not be aged determined.

Explain why Satan and angels could not have been created before this world and universe? The issue I see with that theory is that it would mean many many angels would have been created and rebelled almost the same day

 

[d taylor]

Explain why Satan and angels could not have been created before this world and universe? The issue I see with that theory is that it would mean many many angels would have been created and rebelled almost the same day

They were created before this earth, but they were not created before the earth in Genesis 1:1.

Satan is stated as being in the garden of God. This garden predates the garden that Adam was in.

“You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

“You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.

 

[truthpls]

They were created before this earth, but they were not created before the earth in Genesis 1:1.

Satan is stated as being in the garden of God. This garden predates the garden that Adam was in.

“You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

“You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.

In Eden Satan was the serpent. Not perfect. Not decked in jewels and unfallen. The fiery stones were not in the Eden on earth either that we know about. When God mentions that Satan was perfect from that time he was created it suggests a long time ago. Not the same day

 

[d taylor]

In Eden Satan was the serpent. Not perfect. Not decked in jewels and unfallen. The fiery stones were not in the Eden on earth either that we know about. When God mentions that Satan was perfect from that time he was created it suggests a long time ago. Not the same day

Did you rad what i wrote predates the garden of Eden

 

[friend of]

In Eden Satan was the serpent. Not perfect. Not decked in jewels and unfallen. The fiery stones were not in the Eden on earth either that we know about. When God mentions that Satan was perfect from that time he was created it suggests a long time ago. Not the same day

Wait, the verse literally says he was decked in jewels in EDEN. doesn't it?