Why isn't there more condemnation of idiots

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with all the people that are extremist like terrorists and fanatics wouldn't it be right to just haul off and hate them? i mean toleration is so non-christian why can't we just hate other people especially those outside our faith or those of difference

being straight is the only obvious choice for people why can't the gay people just contract disease and die--obviously they must have chosen to be gay because being born that way has nothing to do with it. i always want different people to die from disease and i pray to god every day to just kill the defilers!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

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Schism said:
with all the people that are extremist like terrorists and fanatics wouldn't it be right to just haul off and hate them? i mean toleration is so non-christian why can't we just hate other people especially those outside our faith or those of difference

being straight is the only obvious choice for people why can't the gay people just contract disease and die--obviously they must have chosen to be gay because being born that way has nothing to do with it. i always want different people to die from disease and i pray to god every day to just kill the defilers!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Okay, let's cut to the chase.

As a Christian, while I don't hate those who use evil to terrorize others, that doesn't mean that I approve of their efforts to bring fear to people as they seek ways to take lives and cause pain and suffering.

Jesus taught toleration is some aspects, but not in others. For instance, he taught toleration of those who didn't wash their hands before eating, but had no tolerance for those who ignored God's law while establishing their own standard of righteousness (Matthew 15:1-20). If He taught toleration of homosexuality, then I have completely missed it.

Jesus did NOT teach toleration of all the various religious faiths and their respective founders or leaders. Rather, He taught that He was the sole way to reach God (John 14:6).

Being "straight" is NOT the only choice for people. It is the choice for people who desire to please God while being sexually active. Those who desire to disregard marriage (see Jesus' teaching in Matthew 19:4-6) and commit fornication (see 1 Corinthians 6:18; 7:1-9) have the right to do so. The confusion comes in when they think that God will accept such sinful activity, and that those who are faithful to God's word will be willing to accept and condone such sinful behavior. I often wonder if those who commit that which is "against nature" and "shameful" will accept and condone the actions of others in the same context of Scripture that do NOT meet God's approval (see Romans 1:18-32).

If the homosexual is born the way they are and can't help themselves, then maybe the same argument could be made for others who are condemned in the same context of Scripture. For instance, look at all the things listed in Romans 1:18-32 that God condemns, especially the latter part of verse 29. Murder is listed there. Now, let's apply your reasoning - - they are born that way and can't help themselves. Sound reasonable? This is where your logic takes you.

Anyone that has an attitude toward homosexuals that they pray to God for them to get a disease that will kill them or pray to God to kill homosexual defilers needs to spend more time with His word, because that teaching simply is NOT there.

Am I an extremist or terrorist because I stand opposed to homosexuality? No more than Jesus - - who, after all, taught against "fornication" (the Greek word "porneia" which includes ALL sexual relations outside of marriage - - the marriage that God approves of - Matthew 19:4-6 & 1 Corinthians 7:2) in Matthew 15:19. No more than the apostle Paul who taught against homosexuality in Romans 1:26-27. Did the Lord teach His followers to use force or physical harm to get sinners to stop their behavior? No! Rather, He told them the truth about their actions, and about the consequences of their actions. Likewise, you should expect and receive no different conduct from God's people today.
 
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Schism said:
with all the people that are extremist like terrorists and fanatics wouldn't it be right to just haul off and hate them? i mean toleration is so non-christian why can't we just hate other people especially those outside our faith or those of difference

being straight is the only obvious choice for people why can't the gay people just contract disease and die--obviously they must have chosen to be gay because being born that way has nothing to do with it. i always want different people to die from disease and i pray to god every day to just kill the defilers!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I thought this was the Philosophy & Morality forum so just what is the point of this uninformed childish tirade?

Why don't you state you case and then we can discuss.

Andy
 
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- DRA - said:
Am I an extremist or terrorist because I stand opposed to homosexuality? No more than Jesus - - who, after all, taught against "fornication" (the Greek word "porneia" which includes ALL sexual relations outside of marriage - - the marriage that God approves of - Matthew 19:4-6 & 1 Corinthians 7:2) in Matthew 15:19. No more than the apostle Paul who taught against homosexuality in Romans 1:26-27. Did the Lord teach His followers to use force or physical harm to get sinners to stop their behavior? No! Rather, He told them the truth about their actions, and about the consequences of their actions. Likewise, you should expect and receive no different conduct from God's people today.

All in all, a good post DRA.

Just two things :)

First, I don't see toleration necessarily as acceptance and condoning. Tolerance, I thought, means you attempt to co-exist with something you disagree with.
Secondly, I agree that the Lord did not teach his followers to use force or physical harm to get sinners to stop. But I think some of his followers get a little overzealous in the name of truth.
Just my opinion though :)
 
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Schism said:
Why isn't there more condemnation of idiots
... i always want different people to die from disease and i pray to god every day to just kill the defilers!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Indeed, why isn't there more condemnation of idiots... Let's start with people who pray for the death of others, shall we? What is it we call people who pray to their God for the death of others? Oh yes, they're called terrorists.
 
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Havoc said:
Indeed, why isn't there more condemnation of idiots... Let's start with people who pray for the death of others, shall we? What is it we call people who pray to their God for the death of others? Oh yes, they're called terrorists.

I think Schism was being sarcastic...
 
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Schism said:
with all the people that are extremist like terrorists and fanatics wouldn't it be right to just haul off and hate them? i mean toleration is so non-christian why can't we just hate other people especially those outside our faith or those of difference

being straight is the only obvious choice for people why can't the gay people just contract disease and die--obviously they must have chosen to be gay because being born that way has nothing to do with it. i always want different people to die from disease and i pray to god every day to just kill the defilers!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Obviously , you're writing in the spirit of sarcasm ; which means you actually believe the opposite of what you've pretended to ascribe .

So , no serious reply is warranted .

And no insincere addition is appropriate .

But I leave you with this strong recommendation :

" Let your moderation be known unto all men . The Lord is at hand . " <---> Philippians 4:5

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jingwei said:
Vengence belongs to the Lord. Eternal torture is enough for unrepentful sinners, what more do you want? Just warn them and let them be.
I'm inclined to agree with that approach. Heck, it doesn't matter to me. I don't believe non-Christians with suffer eternal damnation. However if you could prove that to be true, then I would likely be motivated to seek Christ right away. But then you can't, can you?
 
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with all the people that are extremist like terrorists and fanatics wouldn't it be right to just haul off and hate them? i mean toleration is so non-christian why can't we just hate other people especially those outside our faith or those of difference
Uhm, serious or sarcastic? We don't hate people, because Christianity is about GOD --- and God is LOVE. Hating people gets you two ways; you're holding "destroying-anger" in your heart (which eventually WILL destroy you), and you are hating.

being straight is the only obvious choice for people why can't the gay people just contract disease and die--obviously they must have chosen to be gay because being born that way has nothing to do with it. i always want different people to die from disease and i pray to god every day to just kill the defilers!
Where would that leave you (and, btw, me)? In a box, SIX FEET UNDER.

Do you know the parable of Matt18:21-35? YOU, and I, are that slave, Schism; you and I EACH have been forgiven $10,000,00! So we can hardly condemn another for HIS "mere talent/day's-wage".

It makes me angry to hear guys standing around condemning HOMOSEXUALS, but in the NEXT breath braggin' about their fornication! In God's eyes, BOTH are condemnable! Equally!

My approach to people, is first remembering the 10-mil God has forgiven me. I mean, I've never been attracted to guys, and don't beleive in sex before marriage; but I've sinned the same as anyone else; and but for GRACE, I would be condemned the same as anyone else.

There is only one in the Universe who has the RIGHT to condemn; God. I'm not Him. My command is to LOVE them, and to share the Gospel with them.

That's all. Nothing more. (And nothing less...)

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msjones21 said:
LOL I always say that painfully stupid people, when they die, deserve to be re-incarnated as a toilet bowl brush.
Doesn't it have to be a living thing? How about a Cicada? You have to wait 17 years just so you can have sex once, if you're lucky. The last time we had them here I used to let them finish before splatering them.
 
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Schism said:
with all the people that are extremist like terrorists and fanatics wouldn't it be right to just haul off and hate them? i mean toleration is so non-christian why can't we just hate other people especially those outside our faith or those of difference

being straight is the only obvious choice for people why can't the gay people just contract disease and die--obviously they must have chosen to be gay because being born that way has nothing to do with it. i always want different people to die from disease and i pray to god every day to just kill the defilers!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Are the rolleye smileys there because your entire post is sarcasm? Or are they there for some other reason?

Surely this... this... vomit can't be a serious pondering. Can it?
 
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Havoc said:
Indeed, why isn't there more condemnation of idiots... Let's start with people who pray for the death of others, shall we? What is it we call people who pray to their God for the death of others? Oh yes, they're called terrorists.

Even if someone did pray to God for the death of homosexuals, I fail to see how that would meet the definition of a terrorist act. It sounds like you are twisting the definition of a terrorist to fit those who oppose homosexuality. If some misguided person did pray to God for homosexuals to die, would that cause you terror? If you indeed have that much reverence and respect for God and are fearful of His judgment and wrath, then may I be so bold as to suggest that you need to correct those things that are amiss in your life by coming to know God and obeying His Son (see 2 Thess. 1:8 and consider its context)?

Here are some quick definitions and a concise encyclopedia article about terrorists from the OneLook (online) Dictionary:

Quick definitions (terrorist)

noun: a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities
adjective: characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon) (Example: "Terrorist activity")
See terrorism

Encyclopedia article (Terrorism)

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Terrorism is a tactic of violence that targets civilians, with the objective of forcing an enemy to favorable terms, by creating fear, demoralization, or political discord in the attacked population. (continued at Wikipedia)
 
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